“Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?”

occasionalhobbyist · 04-23-1973, 02:03 AM

okay, something weird just happened with this thread. It got blasted back to 1990. I'm sure I wasn't thinking these thoughts in 1990. Slinky? Does this have something to do with the server work? Or is it just payback for bogging down the server with mind-numbing errata?

paulus · 01-23-2003, 06:14 PM

This dream boy is a happy camper because for my three ATF girls and me Joe DiMaggio never left the field. It will never only be about money because it would mean that the unique beauty of this very game would be lost. It would be over. It would no longer be worthwhile to play the game. The dogs would just be barking in the wind. No siren songs. Only the ring of the cash register. After that the silence would be deafening.

Perhaps because of my Gallic ancestry everything in life including fucking has to be done with passage and elegance. Or not at all. Life is too short for banalities.

What I have enjoyed in the past on this board is the exchange of wits and ideas with intelligent coxmen who looked at sex, including commercial sex, as a game that went beyond money. Because just making money is a banality. A non-event.

Recently most UG posters, who looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist, have left the board. And it is hard to think of any provider (Betty a possible exception) who has not gradually converted to the idea of the best customer being the one who pays the most for the least provider effort.

Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?

I know where, but I am not going to tell.

Paulus.

Vive la France.

FIN

Slinky Bender · 01-23-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by paulus
Recently most UG posters, who looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist, have left the board.

You know, if I were one of the many guys who "looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist" who remained here (which in fact is the vast majority of them), I think I'd be quite offended.

pjorourke · 01-23-2003, 07:34 PM

Here, let me say it before Ozzy: "Fucking French!"

Wwanderer · 01-23-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by slinkybender
You know, if I were one of the many guys who "looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist" who remained here (which in fact is the vast majority of them), I think I'd be quite offended.

Well, I'd certainly consider myself one of the such people that remain. In fact, the hobby is a quite important and anything but banal part of my life. However, it is not easy to offend me.

Say hello to Joe for me, Paulus.

-Ww

pswope · 01-24-2003, 05:00 AM

Maybe you need to read Creamer's book on Joe D. Like commercial sex,Dimag's rep was all illusion.

Ted William's would have been in the Realism School of Whoring as opposed to the Dreamboy.

********* · 01-24-2003, 07:05 AM

Hey there's no need to be so rude to each other. Just because one gent needs to feel this is more of a personal type of relationship then the real deal $, if that's what works for him, live and let live.

Wwanderer · 01-24-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by pswope
Maybe you need to read Creamer's book on Joe D. Like commercial sex,Dimag's rep was all illusion.

Joe D's single most famous accomplishment was his 56 game hitting streak. No MLB player before or since has come interestingly close. However, there are two longer hitting streaks in the annals of minor league baseball. Can anyone name the players responsible for those two >56 game streaks?

-Ww

pjorourke · 01-24-2003, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by Wwanderer

Joe D's single most famous accomplishment was his 56 game hitting streak. No MLB player before or since has come interestingly close. However, there are two longer hitting streaks in the annals of minor league baseball. Can anyone name the players responsible for those two >56 game streaks?

-Ww

Joe D, as a minor league player for the Pacific Coast League San Francisco Seals in 1933 compiled a 61-game hitting streak.

But even DiMaggio fell short of the professional baseball record. He was chasing Joe Wilhoit, who hit safely in 69 straight games for the Wichita Jobbers of the Western League in 1919.

Minor League Baseball .com

Wwanderer · 01-24-2003, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by pjorourke
Joe D, as a minor league player for the Pacific Coast League San Francisco Seals in 1933 compiled a 61-game hitting streak.

Give the man a cigar! I believe Joe D had two streaks longer than 56 games as a minor leaguer. This is fairly compelling evidence that the 56 game streak was not just a fluke.

-Ww

greyfox · 01-24-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by paulus

Recently most UG posters, who looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist...

You are obviously approaching these activities with the very same attitude you rail against current UG posters for having towards commercial sex.
Just apply some theory of role-playing to these encounters and they may not seem banal anymore.I find playing the Stoic with my dental hygienist is quite satisfying,while employing the Charmer at Jiffy Lube has added elegance and intensified the experience(and once gotten me a free air filter).

There are many different approaches to commercial sex.Only a pompous ass would believe that his approach is best for everyone.

justlooking · 01-24-2003, 08:30 AM

Or that what he thinks is "profound" is all that is.

JackT · 01-24-2003, 08:44 AM

Or would sign a post with "FIN"

pswope · 01-24-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by greyfox

There are many different approaches to commercial sex.Only a pompous ass would believe that his approach is best for everyone.

Best 100th post in a long time. Big Ditto.

jack sprat · 01-24-2003, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by greyfox
There are many different approaches to commercial sex.Only a pompous ass would believe that his approach is best for everyone.

greyfox - i totally agree with that. welcome to silver!

occasionalhobbyist · 01-24-2003, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Wwanderer

Joe D's single most famous accomplishment was his 56 game hitting streak. No MLB player before or since has come interestingly close. However, there are two longer hitting streaks in the annals of minor league baseball. Can anyone name the players responsible for those two >56 game streaks?

-Ww

DYK: The day after the streak ended, Joe D started a new streak that lasted 16 games. Which means that he hit safely in 72 of 73 games.

He also once said that stopping at 56 cost him thousands of dollars. Had he stopped at 57, he could've been Heinz's spokesman and raked in the bucks.

occasionalhobbyist · 01-24-2003, 02:51 PM

Oh, and in answer to the question in this thread?

He's taking a dirt nap.

Waist Product · 01-24-2003, 04:01 PM

Joe D

Does anyone else find it a coincidence that Lou Gehrig just so happened to get Lou Gehrig's disease?

bigguy49 · 01-24-2003, 04:49 PM

OK I'll take this thread in a whole different direction. The meaning of the lyric, to me anyway, is the loss of inocense (sorry couldn't find spellcheck). Joe D represented the "golden age" when life was perceived to be much gentler. For me, and anyone around my age, it ended the day Kennedy was shot. Over the years, there have been other tragic events that reinforced it, the most recent on 9/11/01 when 3,000+ innocent people were killed by a madman.

To take another baseball analogy, Cal Ripken breaking the consecutive game record became such a big deal because
people saw in it a return to the values that flourished when Joe D was playing.

Stepping off my soapbox now.

Bill Furniture · 01-24-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by pswope

Best 100th post in a long time. Big Ditto.

DITTO to your Big Ditto.

greyfox, Welcome to Silver!

pswope · 01-25-2003, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by bigguy49
OK I'll take this thread in a whole different direction. The meaning of the lyric, to me anyway, is the loss of inocense (sorry couldn't find spellcheck). Joe D represented the "golden age" when life was perceived to be much gentler.
Stepping off my soapbox now.

Agreed that was what the lyric meant,but if you believe what Creamer wrote about Joe D's character,then the lyrics' metaphor is total bullshit. As is the metaphor of romance in commercial sex (that's an oxymoron to me)

Wwanderer · 01-25-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by pswope

1 - Agreed that was what the lyric meant,but if you believe what Creamer wrote about Joe D's character,then the lyrics' metaphor is total bullshit.

2 - As is the metaphor of romance in commercial sex (that's an oxymoron to me)

1 - I have not read the book, nor in fact any biography of Joe Di, but if it is one of those expose type things which claims that all the conventional wisdom about some celebrity's life/personality/character are wrong, I'd be at least a little skeptical a priori. It could well be true, of course, but it is also a well known technique for writing a controversial book...and therefore one that sells well. Providing is not the only profession in which people don't always say exactly what they think!

2 - It is possible to debate that assetion, of course. But it is dangerous to even talk about it, though not as dangerous as using it as a metaphor, which in turn is not as risky as believing it could be a reality etc. With that mandatory disclaimer out of the way, I cannot resist pointing out that there appears to also be some chance of ending up as happy and satisfied (if perhaps a little smug) as our departed paulus sounds in the post at the top of this thread.

-Ww

pswope · 01-25-2003, 10:24 AM

Ww

That is why I used "if" you believe Creamer. Icon bashing of course sells better than the Gene Schoor fluffball bios,I have read growing up. However, there has been a large degree of verification of Creamer's assertions.

As for your last point,see 100th post of greyfox.

danger-us · 01-25-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by pswope

Agreed that was what the lyric meant,but if you believe what Creamer wrote about Joe D's character,then the lyrics' metaphor is total bullshit. As is the metaphor of romance in commercial sex (that's an oxymoron to me)

Why argue over the accuracy of Paul Simon's metephor from the song "Mrs. Robinson"? Isn't wants most important, the intended reference? An age of innocence.

Romance in commercial sex is an illusion. Just like the illusion of seeing The Lord of The Rings. We pay to escape. Do you sit in the movie theatre trying to expose the myth? I sit there trying to enjoy the experience.

I think a sense of innocence helps me enjoy most forms of entertainment including hobbying.

pswope · 01-25-2003, 12:39 PM

d-u

I agree with you if one keeps one's suspension of disbelief in check. Like, a kid jumping off a building after seeing Superman,some johns fail to do that wrt commercial sex relations.

danger-us · 01-25-2003, 02:06 PM

pswope,

yeah, but man, this chick she really likes me, she appreciates the gifts I give her and is always happy to see me ,uh, and, well, sure I pay her, but, um...it's real!!! She makes me feel like Superman....I can fly!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh<splat >

justlooking · 01-25-2003, 02:17 PM

pswope's last post: Nailed it, IMO.

Wwanderer: Happy = great. Smug = indefensible.

Wwanderer · 01-25-2003, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pswope

1 - That is why I used "if" you believe Creamer. Icon bashing of course sells better than the Gene Schoor fluffball bios,I have read growing up. However, there has been a large degree of verification of Creamer's assertions.

2 - As for your last point,see 100th post of greyfox.

1 - In general, media treatment of celebrities tends to turn them into simplistic icons, sort of 2-D comic book characters, and I suspect in most cases the reality is not as extreme (in any direction - good, bad, eccentric, stupid...whatever) as the image. Anyway, I saw your "if" and did not mean to imply that you were swallowing Creamer's views uncritically.

2 - The really good thing greyfox said in his Silver post, imo, was the last sentences:

Quote:

Originally posted by greyfox
There are many different approaches to commercial sex.Only a pompous ass would believe that his approach is best for everyone.

This was of course exactly my quarrel with JC (not that I think he is a pompous ass); he claimed, strongly insisted in fact, that his slightly hokey CitV approach was the one best, true and right way for all hobbyists. It also has something to do with my disagreement with dreamboy critics. They want to tell dreamboys that their approach is wrong or deluded or too dangerous or ... Basically I think that many who criticize the dreamboys violate the wise axiom that "you should never interupt someone who is doing something to tell them that it is impossible."

I am totally with greyfox in the "let a thousand flowers bloom" school of hobbying (and many other things as well).

-Ww

Wwanderer · 01-25-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justlooking
Wwanderer: Happy = great. Smug = indefensible.

I, for one, would certainly not want to defend smugness before a jury of those who had never commited that particular offense.

-Ww

justlooking · 01-25-2003, 05:27 PM

1. If anybody is telling the dreamboys anything is "impossible", they're guilty of fatal lack of nuance. (Hard to maintain nuance in message board posts, of course.)

2. I think the smugness is precisely what most of the "dreamboy critics" most object to. They (we) wouldn't get so incenced if we didn't get the strong feeling we were all being condescended to.

3. In the exceedingly frequent instances when I'm smug, I expect to be called on it.

01-23-2003, 06:14 PM	#2
paulus Silver Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 266 vCash: 500	“Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?” This dream boy is a happy camper because for my three ATF girls and me Joe DiMaggio never left the field. It will never only be about money because it would mean that the unique beauty of this very game would be lost. It would be over. It would no longer be worthwhile to play the game. The dogs would just be barking in the wind. No siren songs. Only the ring of the cash register. After that the silence would be deafening. Perhaps because of my Gallic ancestry everything in life including fucking has to be done with passage and elegance. Or not at all. Life is too short for banalities. What I have enjoyed in the past on this board is the exchange of wits and ideas with intelligent coxmen who looked at sex, including commercial sex, as a game that went beyond money. Because just making money is a banality. A non-event. Recently most UG posters, who looked at commercial sex as something a bit more profound than an oil change for the car or a cleaning of your teeth at the dentist, have left the board. And it is hard to think of any provider (Betty a possible exception) who has not gradually converted to the idea of the best customer being the one who pays the most for the least provider effort. Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? I know where, but I am not going to tell. Paulus. Vive la France. FIN

01-24-2003, 04:49 PM	#19
bigguy49 Bronze Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 43 vCash: 500	Answer to the original question OK I'll take this thread in a whole different direction. The meaning of the lyric, to me anyway, is the loss of inocense (sorry couldn't find spellcheck). Joe D represented the "golden age" when life was perceived to be much gentler. For me, and anyone around my age, it ended the day Kennedy was shot. Over the years, there have been other tragic events that reinforced it, the most recent on 9/11/01 when 3,000+ innocent people were killed by a madman. To take another baseball analogy, Cal Ripken breaking the consecutive game record became such a big deal because people saw in it a return to the values that flourished when Joe D was playing. Stepping off my soapbox now.

04-23-1973, 02:03 AM	#1
occasionalhobbyist Gold Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 500	okay, something weird just happened with this thread. It got blasted back to 1990. I'm sure I wasn't thinking these thoughts in 1990. Slinky? Does this have something to do with the server work? Or is it just payback for bogging down the server with mind-numbing errata?

01-23-2003, 07:34 PM	#4
pjorourke Thinks he's Caesar's Wife Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,865 vCash: 500	Here, let me say it before Ozzy: "Fucking French!"

01-24-2003, 05:00 AM	#6
pswope One out of three Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,036 vCash: 500	Maybe you need to read Creamer's book on Joe D. Like commercial sex,Dimag's rep was all illusion. Ted William's would have been in the Realism School of Whoring as opposed to the Dreamboy.

01-24-2003, 07:05 AM	#7
********* Gold Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 772 vCash: 500	Hey there's no need to be so rude to each other. Just because one gent needs to feel this is more of a personal type of relationship then the real deal $, if that's what works for him, live and let live.

01-24-2003, 08:30 AM	#12
justlooking Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 25,489 vCash: 500	Or that what he thinks is "profound" is all that is.

01-24-2003, 08:44 AM	#13
JackT Gold Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,351 vCash: 500	Or would sign a post with "FIN"

01-24-2003, 02:51 PM	#17
occasionalhobbyist Gold Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 500	Oh, and in answer to the question in this thread? He's taking a dirt nap.

01-24-2003, 04:01 PM	#18
Waist Product Silver Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 202 vCash: 500	Joe D Does anyone else find it a coincidence that Lou Gehrig just so happened to get Lou Gehrig's disease?

01-25-2003, 10:24 AM	#23
pswope One out of three Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,036 vCash: 500	Ww That is why I used "if" you believe Creamer. Icon bashing of course sells better than the Gene Schoor fluffball bios,I have read growing up. However, there has been a large degree of verification of Creamer's assertions. As for your last point,see 100th post of greyfox.

01-25-2003, 12:39 PM	#25
pswope One out of three Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,036 vCash: 500	d-u I agree with you if one keeps one's suspension of disbelief in check. Like, a kid jumping off a building after seeing Superman,some johns fail to do that wrt commercial sex relations.

01-25-2003, 02:06 PM	#26
danger-us BACKCHANNEL BOY Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,646 vCash: 500	pswope, yeah, but man, this chick she really likes me, she appreciates the gifts I give her and is always happy to see me ,uh, and, well, sure I pay her, but, um...it's real!!! She makes me feel like Superman....I can fly!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh<splat >

01-25-2003, 02:17 PM	#27
justlooking Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 25,489 vCash: 500	pswope's last post: Nailed it, IMO. Wwanderer: Happy = great. Smug = indefensible.

01-25-2003, 05:27 PM	#30
justlooking Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 25,489 vCash: 500	1. If anybody is telling the dreamboys anything is "impossible", they're guilty of fatal lack of nuance. (Hard to maintain nuance in message board posts, of course.) 2. I think the smugness is precisely what most of the "dreamboy critics" most object to. They (we) wouldn't get so incenced if we didn't get the strong feeling we were all being condescended to. 3. In the exceedingly frequent instances when I'm smug, I expect to be called on it.