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Lascivious · 07-14-2006, 07:37 AM

WOuld anybody here trade Arod and Jeter for Wright and Reyes?

Ozzy · 07-14-2006, 07:46 AM

Mets fans wouldn't.

robnotbob · 07-14-2006, 08:37 AM

On salary alone, it doesn't make sense for the Mets. $15MM for Arod (I think that's the yanks share), plus like $18MM for Jeter, for two guys combined making less than $1MM.

Mets should have signed ARod in 2001 when they had the chance. I would have moved Reyes to 2nd for him.

SPORTBOOK · 07-14-2006, 08:40 AM

the trade would never happen and i think there would be a lot of angry people in the tristate area

robnotbob · 07-14-2006, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lascivious

WOuld anybody here trade Arod and Jeter for Wright and Reyes?

No bullshit, Cashman would do that in a second...especially if the Mets picked up the payroll.

Ozzy · 07-14-2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robnotbob

On salary alone, it doesn't make sense for the Mets. $15MM for Arod (I think that's the yanks share), plus like $18MM for Jeter, for two guys combined making less than $1MM.

Mets should have signed ARod in 2001 when they had the chance. I would have moved Reyes to 2nd for him.

The question was hypothetical..... the answer was what I predicted.

Wright and Reyes won't be making league minimum for long. In two years Wright will require 15 mil or more if he stays on pace and then the Mets will just let him go for nothing.

Ozzy · 07-14-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by robnotbob

No bullshit, Cashman would do that in a second...especially if the Mets picked up the payroll.

Cashman doesn't care about payroll. And if he made that trade george would line him against the center field fence and shoot him.... and he'd be right in doing so.

robnotbob · 07-14-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Wright and Reyes won't be making league minimum for long. In two years Wright will require 15 mil or more if he stays on pace and then the Mets will just let him go for nothing.

You know that's not true. Listen. Are Arod and Jeter "better than" Wright & Reyes? Of course, I'm not stupid. Let me put it this way. I think Cashman would trade ARod for Wright straight up. I was being flip including Jeter. Jeter will retire a Yankee, obviously.

Wright is the Mets' Jeter (In terms of the face of the franchise and the captain)..if they let him go for nothing, I will have to seriously reconsider my allegiances.

SPORTBOOK · 07-14-2006, 09:11 AM

i would love to see an arod for wright trade straight up, but it would never happen and as for Jeter, he is Steinbrenners golden boy, cashman would have his balls strung up from the center field flagpole if Jeter were to go anywhere

rocketman29 · 07-14-2006, 09:40 AM

Clearly Wright is on his way to superstardom and it was evident over the All-Star break, both in the game and HR Derby. He is quickly becoming not only the face of the NY Mets, but MLB and I promise you this second half of the season you will see a lot more of him in MLB promotions, advertisements, endorsements etc... and if the Mets win the World Series, he will own this town and Jeter will be second fiddle, especially since we all know this is a what have you done for me lately type of town.

I am a Mets fan and I would not trade Wright for A-Rod straight up due to several factors. Payroll is one and I would not want to invest $25 million into 1 player as it may hamper other moves and acquisitions. also, wright is 7-8 years younger and is only getting better as a player. plus, he is an original Met and we haven't had many homegrown superstars. Lastly, A-Rod is an A-Hole and is tough to embrace and like, see the jeers in the Bronx coming from his own fans. He is so not down to earth or real.

Now Ozzy, before you blow up I am not saying Wright is better than A-Rod right now, though he is currently having a better season, and he may never be better in his career, but then again he might, he is just starting his career. Even if he is not, if he helps us win 1 or more WS, he is the man. We want homegrown winners, that's why people love JEter and hate A-rod, even on their own team.

SPORTBOOK · 07-14-2006, 10:09 AM

i am not disagreeing with the fact that a-rod is an asshole, but wright still has a lot of work to do before he even comes close to jeters status in NYC, jeter is a yankee for life, david wright will have to be part of how many world series teams to touch jeter i believe jeter helped lead the yanks to four three consecutively and almost a fourth consecutive, wright is still just a kid, how many kids play great in there first few seasons and then flop, all you mets fans seem to think he is the gonna be the greatest ball player this town has ever seen, i would prefer him to be on the yankees over a-rod but i know it could not happen until he hits free agency but do not count your chickens before they hatch he could flop

rocketman29 · 07-14-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SPORTBOOK

i am not disagreeing with the fact that a-rod is an asshole, but wright still has a lot of work to do before he even comes close to jeters status in NYC, jeter is a yankee for life, david wright will have to be part of how many world series teams to touch jeter i believe jeter helped lead the yanks to four three consecutively and almost a fourth consecutive, wright is still just a kid, how many kids play great in there first few seasons and then flop, all you mets fans seem to think he is the gonna be the greatest ball player this town has ever seen, i would prefer him to be on the yankees over a-rod but i know it could not happen until he hits free agency but do not count your chickens before they hatch he could flop

well, I can't predict the future, that's why my gambling picks suck, and so I can't tell you if the Mets will win the WS. However, Jeter is 31 years old and hasn't won in 5 years, about to be 6 because they are not winning this year. Even I know that despite my betting skills. People are always looking for the "next" great thing person and here in NY, it's David Wright. If he flops in a few years, someone else will be chosen as the "next" great thing. Just look at the NBA, how many next Michael Jordan's have been named?

The thing with David Wright is that although on a very short time frame of work, he has displayed A-Rod type of offensive #s, with a Jeter personality and likeability. That's what makes him different, he is the perfect combination of both of those guys, but you're right, he has a ways to go and he is on his way.

Ozzy · 07-14-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by robnotbob

You know that's not true. Listen. Are Arod and Jeter "better than" Wright & Reyes? Of course, I'm not stupid. Let me put it this way. I think Cashman would trade ARod for Wright straight up. I was being flip including Jeter. Jeter will retire a Yankee, obviously.

Wright is the Mets' Jeter (In terms of the face of the franchise and the captain)..if they let him go for nothing, I will have to seriously reconsider my allegiances.

Whats not true... that the Mets since their existence and thru two or three ownerships have never paid their quality home grown players when they jump the free agent market and have always preferred to let them go in favor of young cheaper farm talent... or that Wright in two years can file for free agency and will probably go to the highest bidder....

Cause I happen to know both are accurate and true.

But I was right.. I said Mets fans wouldn't trade a guy whos a few games past a rookie for a 30 yr old future hall of famer in his prime and probably future home run and rbi champ.

robnotbob · 07-14-2006, 05:07 PM

[QUOTE=Ozzy]Whats not true... that the Mets since their existence and thru two or three ownerships have never paid their quality home grown players when they jump the free agent market and have always preferred to let them go in favor of young cheaper farm talent... or that Wright in two years can file for free agency and will probably go to the highest bidder....

QUOTE]

1st part is true for sure....BUT....Wright isn't leaving...I think the Mets need to see what the Yanks did with guys like Bernie, Jeter, Posada...you gotta lock them up..or they'll do what the Indians did...sign him long term before he can go freeagent....I

f Wright is gonna be the face of the franchise (like Piazza was..and yes, I know he wasn't homegrown), they gotta come up with the do-re-mi to keep him here. If you would have told me in 1998 that Mikey would have re-signed with the Mets and NOT TESTED free agency, I would have said you were nuts. Wright knows that NY is the place to be for endorsements and all that stuff.

Lascivious · 07-18-2006, 09:52 AM

A_rod 3 errors and hurt his big toe as the YAnks are trying to overtake the Redsox. Nobody could write his Yankee career any better. The Mets should lock up Wright and Reyes early. With Pelphry, HUmber and Milledge, they got some very good young prospects in the near future. I see them being in the same position as the Yankees were ten years ago. They probably hoping Sanchez could be their Rivera. If I were a Met fan, the only thing I would worry about is Wilpon not opening his checkbook to sign these guys. Yankees have to win now. They have a 3 year period with all their core guys in their 30s and nothing in the farm system.

robnotbob · 07-18-2006, 09:56 AM

I listened to Steve Phillips this morning on ESPN Radio (I know, what does he know) and he feels that ARod will never reach his potential in NY and has got to go. He will be the poster boy for Yankee failure (never mind Giambi, Mussina, etc etc) and that will drag the team down.

Problem is, who can afford him and you could never get equal value.

I still think Phillips made a mistake in not signing him after 2000.

SPORTBOOK · 07-18-2006, 10:19 AM

who can afford him texas is already eating a huge chunk of his salary and the yanks can pick up most of it, the mets are lucky they did not sign him, he is a pretty boy and can not handle the pressure, i think their would be lots of teams willing to take a player of his caliber the only problem would be that the yanks would not get anything close in value in return, i say get rid of him for a few young arms and groom andy phillips to play third base

robnotbob · 07-18-2006, 10:26 AM

Groom Andy Phillips?? The guy is fucking 28 !

A-Rod grew up a Met fan; he would have thrived being the man at Shea. I always said the Mets were penny wise and pound foolish back then...who cares if he was a 24 +1 guy? They would have sold so many "3" jerseys..put Reyes at 2nd, and now we're rolling.

Mets not signing him after a NL Championship set the franchise back 5 years.

ChuckUFarlie · 07-18-2006, 11:07 AM

Wow Yankee fans are tough. Arod must be getting tired of being in Jeter's shadow all the time. He could bat 300 and hit 40 homers every year and he will still get shit from the fans. You guys keep pushing him, one day he's gonna clothesline Jeter and knock him out and walk off the field. Then he'll show up with his hair in dreadlocks at Fenway Park and announce he's a Red Sox.

SPORTBOOK · 07-18-2006, 11:24 AM

groom might not have been the right word, start him every day, let him play, he can play, the media for the mets is the same NY media that covers the yankees, A-Rod would have the same problems with the city regardless, he chokes when the pressure is really on

as far as setting the franchise back for five years because they did not sign A-rod that is crap mets ownership is not committed to winning plain and simple it is a business for them sure they would like to win the world series but the fact of the matter is they would rather sell tickets than put a winning team on the field it just so happens they got their shit together this season

SlickWilly · 07-18-2006, 11:26 AM

Another example of Yankee fans never being satisfied. If A-Rod doesn't hit .400 with 75 homers and 225 RBI and the Yankees don't go 162-0, then he's a failure.

Ozzy · 07-18-2006, 03:04 PM

Steve Phillips is an imbecile. He destroyed the Mets the decade he was there, made almost every wrong decision that wasn't a no brain-er (trading for Piazza) and was so bad that he couldn't even get a job in a minor league capacity. A-Rod will never hit 50 hrs in Yankee stadium but neither will any other right handed hitter (Joe D couldn't... he only averaged about 30). A-rod is as good a 3rd baseman they will get. He's still the best in the league cept for his failure in the clutch and we don't know how good Wright is in the clutch till he gets his playoff and WS at-bats.

sawgrass · 07-18-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Steve Phillips is an imbecile. He destroyed the Mets the decade he was there, made almost every wrong decision that wasn't a no brain-er (trading for Piazza) and was so bad that he couldn't even get a job in a minor league capacity. A-Rod will never hit 50 hrs in Yankee stadium but neither will any other right handed hitter (Joe D couldn't... he only averaged about 30). A-rod is as good a 3rd baseman they will get. He's still the best in the league cept for his failure in the clutch and we don't know how good Wright is in the clutch till he gets his playoff and WS at-bats.

Don't forget in Joe D's day left & left center were a hell of a lot deeper. And centerfield, forget it . How far were the Monuments? Today Joe would easily hit 50 in the stadium.

robnotbob · 07-18-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sawgrass

Today Joe would easily hit 50 in the stadium.

And he's been dead a while now.

Daddycool · 07-19-2006, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robnotbob

Groom Andy Phillips?? The guy is fucking 28 !

A-Rod grew up a Met fan; he would have thrived being the man at Shea.
Mets not signing him after a NL Championship set the franchise back 5 years.

Thats what they said about Mike Piazza sp too

ZagatMP · 07-19-2006, 05:42 AM

A-Rod wasnt meant for a yankee uniform. They should trade him for some pitching and get Soriano back to play 2nd. Move Cairo to 3rd base!

robnotbob · 07-19-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddycool

Thats what they said about Mike Piazza sp too

What..didn't he thrive as a Met? Dont understand.

Unless you're saying they've should have re-signed him this year.. No way.

Ozzy · 07-19-2006, 07:01 AM

Soriano is a bigger piece of shit in the clutch than A-Rod will ever be, unless you all forget he went what... 1 for 38 in the playoffs and world series a few years ago when he had that great year. He also strikes out way too much and isn't a good 'contact hitter' for a top or middle of the order man, runs the bases like a fool. Totally a stats oriented player and vastly over rated as a result.

rocketman29 · 07-19-2006, 07:16 AM

as far as setting the franchise back for five years because they did not sign A-rod that is crap mets ownership is not committed to winning plain and simple it is a business for them sure they would like to win the world series but the fact of the matter is they would rather sell tickets than put a winning team on the field it just so happens they got their shit together this season[/QUOTE]

Your statement is outdated, how are they not committed to winning when they finally went in the past 2 years and got key free agents, Pedro, Beltran, Delgado, LoDuca? You were right a few years ago, definately wrong now.

Also, if you could trade A-Rod, what are the potential teams and players you could do it for, assuming something was done with his money? I came up with a few, tell me who you would or would not consider: I won't include David Wright.

Eric Chavez--Oakland A's
Chipper Jones--Braves
Adrian Beltre--Mariners
Scott Rolen--Cardinals
Miguel Cabrera--Marlins
Hank Blaylock--Rangers

there may be other's but as far as getting something reasonable back for the same position, I think these are pretty good options and I personally would take ROlen #1, Jones #2, Cabrera #3.

SPORTBOOK · 07-19-2006, 07:35 AM

chipper jones #1, cabrera #2, eric chavez #3, then rolen, i am sure there are teams out there who could put together a nice package

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07-14-2006, 07:37 AM	#31
Lascivious Gold Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,153 vCash: 500	WOuld anybody here trade Arod and Jeter for Wright and Reyes?

07-14-2006, 07:46 AM	#32
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,431 vCash: 500	Mets fans wouldn't.

07-14-2006, 08:37 AM	#33
robnotbob Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,914 vCash: 500	On salary alone, it doesn't make sense for the Mets. $15MM for Arod (I think that's the yanks share), plus like $18MM for Jeter, for two guys combined making less than $1MM. Mets should have signed ARod in 2001 when they had the chance. I would have moved Reyes to 2nd for him.

07-14-2006, 08:40 AM	#34
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	the trade would never happen and i think there would be a lot of angry people in the tristate area

07-14-2006, 09:11 AM	#39
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	i would love to see an arod for wright trade straight up, but it would never happen and as for Jeter, he is Steinbrenners golden boy, cashman would have his balls strung up from the center field flagpole if Jeter were to go anywhere

07-14-2006, 09:40 AM	#40
rocketman29 Silver Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 184 vCash: 500	Clearly Wright is on his way to superstardom and it was evident over the All-Star break, both in the game and HR Derby. He is quickly becoming not only the face of the NY Mets, but MLB and I promise you this second half of the season you will see a lot more of him in MLB promotions, advertisements, endorsements etc... and if the Mets win the World Series, he will own this town and Jeter will be second fiddle, especially since we all know this is a what have you done for me lately type of town. I am a Mets fan and I would not trade Wright for A-Rod straight up due to several factors. Payroll is one and I would not want to invest $25 million into 1 player as it may hamper other moves and acquisitions. also, wright is 7-8 years younger and is only getting better as a player. plus, he is an original Met and we haven't had many homegrown superstars. Lastly, A-Rod is an A-Hole and is tough to embrace and like, see the jeers in the Bronx coming from his own fans. He is so not down to earth or real. Now Ozzy, before you blow up I am not saying Wright is better than A-Rod right now, though he is currently having a better season, and he may never be better in his career, but then again he might, he is just starting his career. Even if he is not, if he helps us win 1 or more WS, he is the man. We want homegrown winners, that's why people love JEter and hate A-rod, even on their own team.

07-14-2006, 10:09 AM	#41
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	i am not disagreeing with the fact that a-rod is an asshole, but wright still has a lot of work to do before he even comes close to jeters status in NYC, jeter is a yankee for life, david wright will have to be part of how many world series teams to touch jeter i believe jeter helped lead the yanks to four three consecutively and almost a fourth consecutive, wright is still just a kid, how many kids play great in there first few seasons and then flop, all you mets fans seem to think he is the gonna be the greatest ball player this town has ever seen, i would prefer him to be on the yankees over a-rod but i know it could not happen until he hits free agency but do not count your chickens before they hatch he could flop

07-14-2006, 05:07 PM	#44
robnotbob Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,914 vCash: 500	[QUOTE=Ozzy]Whats not true... that the Mets since their existence and thru two or three ownerships have never paid their quality home grown players when they jump the free agent market and have always preferred to let them go in favor of young cheaper farm talent... or that Wright in two years can file for free agency and will probably go to the highest bidder.... QUOTE] 1st part is true for sure....BUT....Wright isn't leaving...I think the Mets need to see what the Yanks did with guys like Bernie, Jeter, Posada...you gotta lock them up..or they'll do what the Indians did...sign him long term before he can go freeagent....I f Wright is gonna be the face of the franchise (like Piazza was..and yes, I know he wasn't homegrown), they gotta come up with the do-re-mi to keep him here. If you would have told me in 1998 that Mikey would have re-signed with the Mets and NOT TESTED free agency, I would have said you were nuts. Wright knows that NY is the place to be for endorsements and all that stuff.

07-18-2006, 09:52 AM	#45
Lascivious Gold Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,153 vCash: 500	A_rod 3 errors and hurt his big toe as the YAnks are trying to overtake the Redsox. Nobody could write his Yankee career any better. The Mets should lock up Wright and Reyes early. With Pelphry, HUmber and Milledge, they got some very good young prospects in the near future. I see them being in the same position as the Yankees were ten years ago. They probably hoping Sanchez could be their Rivera. If I were a Met fan, the only thing I would worry about is Wilpon not opening his checkbook to sign these guys. Yankees have to win now. They have a 3 year period with all their core guys in their 30s and nothing in the farm system.

07-18-2006, 09:56 AM	#46
robnotbob Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,914 vCash: 500	I listened to Steve Phillips this morning on ESPN Radio (I know, what does he know) and he feels that ARod will never reach his potential in NY and has got to go. He will be the poster boy for Yankee failure (never mind Giambi, Mussina, etc etc) and that will drag the team down. Problem is, who can afford him and you could never get equal value. I still think Phillips made a mistake in not signing him after 2000.

07-18-2006, 10:19 AM	#47
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	who can afford him texas is already eating a huge chunk of his salary and the yanks can pick up most of it, the mets are lucky they did not sign him, he is a pretty boy and can not handle the pressure, i think their would be lots of teams willing to take a player of his caliber the only problem would be that the yanks would not get anything close in value in return, i say get rid of him for a few young arms and groom andy phillips to play third base

07-18-2006, 10:26 AM	#48
robnotbob Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,914 vCash: 500	Groom Andy Phillips?? The guy is fucking 28 ! A-Rod grew up a Met fan; he would have thrived being the man at Shea. I always said the Mets were penny wise and pound foolish back then...who cares if he was a 24 +1 guy? They would have sold so many "3" jerseys..put Reyes at 2nd, and now we're rolling. Mets not signing him after a NL Championship set the franchise back 5 years.

07-18-2006, 11:07 AM	#49
ChuckUFarlie Gold Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,005 vCash: 500	Wow Yankee fans are tough. Arod must be getting tired of being in Jeter's shadow all the time. He could bat 300 and hit 40 homers every year and he will still get shit from the fans. You guys keep pushing him, one day he's gonna clothesline Jeter and knock him out and walk off the field. Then he'll show up with his hair in dreadlocks at Fenway Park and announce he's a Red Sox.

07-18-2006, 11:24 AM	#50
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	groom might not have been the right word, start him every day, let him play, he can play, the media for the mets is the same NY media that covers the yankees, A-Rod would have the same problems with the city regardless, he chokes when the pressure is really on as far as setting the franchise back for five years because they did not sign A-rod that is crap mets ownership is not committed to winning plain and simple it is a business for them sure they would like to win the world series but the fact of the matter is they would rather sell tickets than put a winning team on the field it just so happens they got their shit together this season

07-18-2006, 11:26 AM	#51
SlickWilly Gold Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8,234 vCash: 500	Another example of Yankee fans never being satisfied. If A-Rod doesn't hit .400 with 75 homers and 225 RBI and the Yankees don't go 162-0, then he's a failure.

07-18-2006, 03:04 PM	#52
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,431 vCash: 500	Steve Phillips is an imbecile. He destroyed the Mets the decade he was there, made almost every wrong decision that wasn't a no brain-er (trading for Piazza) and was so bad that he couldn't even get a job in a minor league capacity. A-Rod will never hit 50 hrs in Yankee stadium but neither will any other right handed hitter (Joe D couldn't... he only averaged about 30). A-rod is as good a 3rd baseman they will get. He's still the best in the league cept for his failure in the clutch and we don't know how good Wright is in the clutch till he gets his playoff and WS at-bats.

07-19-2006, 05:42 AM	#56
ZagatMP Gold Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 620 vCash: 500	A-Rod wasnt meant for a yankee uniform. They should trade him for some pitching and get Soriano back to play 2nd. Move Cairo to 3rd base!

07-19-2006, 07:01 AM	#58
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,431 vCash: 500	Soriano is a bigger piece of shit in the clutch than A-Rod will ever be, unless you all forget he went what... 1 for 38 in the playoffs and world series a few years ago when he had that great year. He also strikes out way too much and isn't a good 'contact hitter' for a top or middle of the order man, runs the bases like a fool. Totally a stats oriented player and vastly over rated as a result.

07-19-2006, 07:16 AM	#59
rocketman29 Silver Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 184 vCash: 500	as far as setting the franchise back for five years because they did not sign A-rod that is crap mets ownership is not committed to winning plain and simple it is a business for them sure they would like to win the world series but the fact of the matter is they would rather sell tickets than put a winning team on the field it just so happens they got their shit together this season[/QUOTE] Your statement is outdated, how are they not committed to winning when they finally went in the past 2 years and got key free agents, Pedro, Beltran, Delgado, LoDuca? You were right a few years ago, definately wrong now. Also, if you could trade A-Rod, what are the potential teams and players you could do it for, assuming something was done with his money? I came up with a few, tell me who you would or would not consider: I won't include David Wright. Eric Chavez--Oakland A's Chipper Jones--Braves Adrian Beltre--Mariners Scott Rolen--Cardinals Miguel Cabrera--Marlins Hank Blaylock--Rangers there may be other's but as far as getting something reasonable back for the same position, I think these are pretty good options and I personally would take ROlen #1, Jones #2, Cabrera #3.

07-19-2006, 07:35 AM	#60
SPORTBOOK Silver Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260 vCash: 500	chipper jones #1, cabrera #2, eric chavez #3, then rolen, i am sure there are teams out there who could put together a nice package