Review: 21D Jerusalem Ave, Hicksville

Zwoof · 10-27-2007, 09:13 AM

Fellas,

This is a new place that advertises in Craigslist. It is across the street from the Bank of America near the train overpass. There is a legitimate shopping center there with a furniture store so I had a hard time finding it. There is a door tucked in the corner that just says 21D on it with a standard issue AMP doorbell on it. If you remember the old Hong Hong (which probably had the hottest AMP girl ever!), it is near there.

I ring the bell (the door is locked) and a broad comes down and lets me in. She is kinda cute, 35-30, a solid 7 for an AMP girl. There is a long hallway and they are on the second floor. This has to be the nicest AMP place ever. You walk up to a brand new office space with hardwood floors and freshly painted walls. What an idiot that landlord is ;-). I get ushered into another room and told to wait 5 mins. After waiting, another 35-40ish 7 comes down and gets me and brings me to another room. This room has the table and I see the little stand of oils and such so I think I'm golden.

This broad asks me "Hard, medium, blah, blah.." and I always say soft. That's usually the signal to start playing with the boys right away plus I don't want them to think that they owe me any vestige of a massage because they all suck at it and I actually have back problems. She proceeds to NEVER come close to the boys, there was NO flip either!! Each time I get stiffed like this makes me more mad. I felt like punching her in the cunt as I walked out. Needless to say, I did not tip ($40 for the half). There were a lot of calls at the time too so I hope other UGers had a better experience. I could hear one guy on the phone during my massage (gotta love when they answer the phone) ask for the "prettiest girl". Was this anyone here???

Anywho, this place is definitely NOT a legitimate place but be careful because apparently they are. No legitimate place locks the door and escorts you in and out. I suggest getting up in the middle and asking for your money back if not satisfied. I waited too long.

The Zomby Woof

kmsonli · 10-27-2007, 04:27 PM

Same thing happened to me at 21D then I was stupid enough to go the other place in Hicksville that advertises on craig list on Broadway. I spent 60 at 21d. The girl was so good looking I just wanted to be naked in a room with her and I got suckered into 60 I was beggin her to give me HE but no. So I dragged my blue balls over to some place on Broadway spent another 40 at the place had some old women begged her for HE she also said no. That was it. So there I was no HE in Hicksville. How things have changed.

I did feel bad about not tipping but hey

Vespasian · 10-30-2007, 10:48 AM

I recently checked this place out, their ad is on CL: http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ths/463871581.html

I just went in (door unlocked) and up the stairs to see what the girls look like. Based on the above posts I decided not to waste my money on a lame massage. I saw 3 Chinese women, all pretty decent looking, in tight jeans, kind of seductive looks. I inquired about prices, hours, etc. and they gave me the usual AMP questions about where you work, occupation, how you hear about us. I asked for a card but they didn't have any, so one girl wrote the number on a piece of paper. The place looks like new office space, clean walls and hardwood floors. None of them speaks much English but they did say that business has been very slow since they opened. I went in at a time you would expect it to be busy but all 3 were just sitting around reading Chinese newspapers. My suspicion is that they intend to be very cautious about what they do here. Right now I don't have the patience for this kind of thing, I'll leave it to others to figure this place out.

al900 · 10-30-2007, 01:21 PM

Sounds like this place needs a visit from our resident "Genius".

RuffToy · 10-30-2007, 01:46 PM

The CL ad linked above is one of the finest written AMP ads I've ever read. Professional, correct spelling and they even include their license #. Plus new building, new facilities. I would bet the AMP is owned & operated by the landlord and he's being very cautious because it's his place and can't afford a bust. Probably a short term situation until he gets a better tenant. Because at this rate, they won't be able to afford the rent. Get it!!

Just my read.

RuffToy · 10-30-2007, 01:46 PM

I stand corrected, there is one typo in the ad.

patrick2422 · 10-30-2007, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuffToy

The CL ad linked above is one of the finest written AMP ads I've ever read. Professional, correct spelling and they even include their license #. Plus new building, new facilities. I would bet the AMP is owned & operated by the landlord and he's being very cautious because it's his place and can't afford a bust. Probably a short term situation until he gets a better tenant. Because at this rate, they won't be able to afford the rent. Get it!!

Just my read.

they incorrectly spelled relieved and they are no where near southern state parkway.
just wanted to clear that up.

bd_0001 · 10-31-2007, 03:51 AM

I went there, girls are cute in their early 30s. paid 40 for 1/2 and when the girl came in I asked her to get naked. She asked for 100. I negotiated down to 80 for naked and DATY. She doesn't like DATY and answered the phone while I was going down on her. I am pretty good at it but nothing!

She rushed me to stop so she could finish me off. Not bad HJ but 120 was a little too high for the rush job and non-responsiveness. Her names was Mimi. She says she never does BJ or FS and to bring more money next time. Can you believe that!

RuffToy · 10-31-2007, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd_0001

...She says she never does BJ or FS and to bring more money next time...

For what?

popeye363 · 10-31-2007, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrick2422

they incorrectly spelled relieved and they are no where near southern state parkway.
just wanted to clear that up.

They also misspelled convenience and misused the comma. I'll overlook the SHOUTING.

bd_0001 · 11-01-2007, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuffToy

For what?

More money because she won't get naked or allow DATY for only $80. I must be $100.

The nerve. If she was wild and really got into it I would consider 80 again but for total damage of 120, I'd rather spend my money elsewhere.

bd_0001 · 11-01-2007, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye363

They also misspelled convenience and misused the comma. I'll overlook the SHOUTING.

It's just west of 106/107 and a few blocks north of OCR opposite the Bank of AMerica.

RuffToy · 11-01-2007, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd_0001

More money because she won't get naked or allow DATY for only $80. I must be $100.

The nerve. If she was wild and really got into it I would consider 80 again but for total damage of 120, I'd rather spend my money elsewhere.

I have found that when the conversation begins with "how much tip you give" or "not enough money" it doesn't matter how much you fork over (if you're dumb enough to fall prey to that)...the service is mediocre at best, usually lousy. The good girls know that when they provide fine service, they will be handsomely rewarded...usually. If not, they remember you the next time you go there, if you do return.
This place will either be gone with the wind very shortly or will change their ways. I bet gone.

paperpusher · 11-01-2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuffToy

I have found that when the conversation begins with "how much tip you give" or "not enough money" it doesn't matter how much you fork over (if you're dumb enough to fall prey to that)...the service is mediocre at best, usually lousy. The good girls know that when they provide fine service, they will be handsomely rewarded...usually. If not, they remember you the next time you go there, if you do return.
This place will either be gone with the wind very shortly or will change their ways. I bet gone.

Never underestimate the amount of suckers that are out there. Count me as one when I first started mongoring. It the absence of information like find on UG, how do you find out about the rules. Most of us will not discuss this with friends. Based upon the money spent at strip clubs (and this is where alot of us start), the money they are asking isnt alot. There will alway be a new crop of sucker horny men. LOL

From the girls point-of-veiw, you just need two of these a day to make the same money as the hardworking good service girl. These girls just get recycled. If it did not work, these girls would stop doing this the first week.

Vespasian · 12-05-2007, 12:53 PM

This place is now a cranking business, after a slow start. In spite of the above, I decided to give it another shot based on the hotness of the girls. Have been here 3 times, the first time nothing happened but after that a few things are on the menu. Had Selena, very nice body for an Asian and very friendly after the first visit with her. Took $40/30 min. & $60 for hj and naked top. A bit much but she's hot, would not get naked for that price but allowed full roaming. As I came in, 1 monger leaving, 2 mongers came in while I'm in the room, and 1 more monger coming in as I'm leaving. Last 2 times I went all 3 girls were busy.

genius · 12-05-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vespasian

..... Took $40/30 min. & $60 for hj and naked top. A bit much ....

That's an understatement

ballys20 · 12-06-2007, 08:33 AM

I know this is the holidays and a "giving season" - but PLEASE - why should we mongers have to pay $100 for a naked hj. For some additional money, you can get the whole "ball of wax". Don't let inflation at the AMPS get to you. Hold the line on prices and they will COME DOWN!

Vespasian · 12-06-2007, 11:03 AM

Ok and ok. In my defense please note that these girls are hotter than anything else on LI (except for Cindy in Syosett). Read all the posts in this thread, others have paid more than me and gotten less than f/s too. I know for sure this place has been busy, perhaps we'll hear what others have been paying.

eBay · 12-09-2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vespasian

Ok and ok. In my defense please note that these girls are hotter than anything else on LI (except for Cindy in Syosett). Read all the posts in this thread, others have paid more than me and gotten less than f/s too. I know for sure this place has been busy, perhaps we'll hear what others have been paying.

is there a thread on Cindy, or do u have any info on her?

Vespasian · 12-09-2007, 06:33 PM

The thread on Cindy:
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32158

TASTYSQEEZE · 12-11-2007, 02:59 PM

I had a nice time, a bit more money overall, but its a nice change from older amp workers. A visit every now and then is nice, but I;m sure what is available does vari on the day, girl and the dudes charm. I must say, im very charming!

whereitat · 12-12-2007, 10:41 AM

what was the damage & who did you see? thanks.

TASTYSQEEZE · 12-13-2007, 06:07 AM

I'm thinking this place is ok for LI standards, the standard 60/40 house and since they know there younger and sexier than the old hags, they negoitciate upwards from $40 for a get out here jerk to a $100 for naked hj- I personally don't think its worth that much. There must be guys out there paying too much, cause my vibe is they get what they ask for. I also think nothing more is available on the menu other than a simple hj and maybeeee a quick closed leg lick or two- you all know I'm right. OH kATIE is cute, appears the youngest, but what happened to her tities, they look deflated? Oh there a busy place too- But EXPENSIVE boys for a habit.

smoke2 · 12-13-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSkier

Hi Fellow Mongers
i am new with this board, wanted to say to hi.
...

UNFRIGGEN REAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taffyman2005 · 12-14-2007, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSkier

Hi Fellow Mongers
i am new with this board, wanted to say to hi...

Hey buddy welcome to the board you need to put those kind of questions in the ISO (in search of) thread. Once you gain some good experiences come back here with the review, Good Luck happy mongering.

RuffToy · 12-14-2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSkier

Hi Fellow Mongers
i am new with this board, wanted to say to hi...

Welcome...read the rules. There's a plethora of information if you take the time to seek it out. Newbies are encouraged to add info to the site before they start asking for info.

Hicksville's drying out, expand your horizons.

Taffyman2005 · 12-17-2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSkier

I've been deleted because I am a jerk and didn't read the rules.

is this a joke? get rid of this clown

microtrash · 12-20-2007, 09:42 AM

Went here yesterday, had a 10 minute wait and then selena/semina/whatever. She had long hair (mid-back) and was likely mid to upper 30s, with A-cups.

40 for 30 minutes, asked for a medium massage. Got medium/hard, but it was very good for an AMP massage, she really worked some knots out of my shoulder very well.

After some time of just strait massage she moved closer; so i gave her some rubbing on the legs + ass. she proceeded to begin to tease the boys. Flipped, and she grabbed my cock and asked me if I wanted that, I said yes. She asked how much I'd tip, I said 30 (It was a good massage). She insisted on 40 and I didnt feel like arguing or leaving so I paid. OTC rubbing, but she used her arms to block me from having good access to her tits. A pretty good jerk, and a much better job cleaning up than usual.

PS: Place was pretty clean for an AMP, they used disposable paper-type things on top of the towels on the massage table. (doctor office type things)

paperpusher · 02-27-2008, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by microtrash

Went here yesterday, had a 10 minute wait and then selena/semina/whatever. She had long hair (mid-back) and was likely mid to upper 30s, with A-cups.

40 for 30 minutes, asked for a medium massage. Got medium/hard, but it was very good for an AMP massage, she really worked some knots out of my shoulder very well.

After some time of just strait massage she moved closer; so i gave her some rubbing on the legs + ass. she proceeded to begin to tease the boys. Flipped, and she grabbed my cock and asked me if I wanted that, I said yes. She asked how much I'd tip, I said 30 (It was a good massage). She insisted on 40 and I didnt feel like arguing or leaving so I paid. OTC rubbing, but she used her arms to block me from having good access to her tits. A pretty good jerk, and a much better job cleaning up than usual.

PS: Place was pretty clean for an AMP, they used disposable paper-type things on top of the towels on the massage table. (doctor office type things)

Running out of options, I tried this place. Pretty much the same with only a few exceptions.
Did my "speil" and seemed to really have a good repor with her. Absolutely surprised at how good her English was. I told her most AMPs girls only English was "how much you tip?". We both laughed at the joke. Mediocre hard massage with forearms (that I hate). No trouble getting the tug. So the friendly repor stops, and she went into the "tug persona". These girls seem to be able to separate the banter personalities to a completely different persona. Once they start calling you "honey" you know everything else is now fake. So guess what her first question before the tug was after we just joked about it. I like you I like you but how much you tip and please pay in advance. I joked and replied I thought I was special. LOL She made it clear that she is happy to meet me outside with the sole purpose of just having conversation, but we are now down to business.

The tug used way too much oil and was ok for a tug. Negotiation got silly. She wanted $40 for the tug, $60 for topless and $100 for naked. She wasnt going to budge at least it seemed. I told her just to finish the massage.It is like these girls here belonged to a union and they do not negotiate scale rate.

She realized I was very unhappy, so she agreed to $40 for topless (this was for one hour). I paid $60 but told her, I was going to get a whole half hour tug (which she did) and total play for half hour with otc and shirt off but no other restictions. She was game and to her credit did honor it. Most girls do not want you to play with them for more than a few minutes. Once negotiations were over, she tried really hard to please. Talked very dirty in my earthe whole time, which I always find more campy the erotic. Her top was actually smaller than my SO, which I found hard to believe. She has a little meat but not fat.

She got into it a little bit, but she clearly falls into the camp that she isnt going to let a customer get her turned on. She is one of those who likes sex on rare occasions, but it really is something for the guy. So DATY and pleasing her, pretty much is a waste of time unless it turns on the guy. She clearly went into pretend mode with how nice the experience was and had to remind her that for me, please stop faking it.

After the deed was over, she was friendly and kept saying that she would be ok with being my girlfiend. I was not sure what that was all about, but I assumed that was marketing. She literally starts putting on every article of clothing on me including tying my shoes (that felt weird). I am not sure I will go back. Still looking for better. Stopped by lily several times but she does not answer the door any more. I never got her number. Oh well, the hunt continues.

paperpusher · 03-07-2008, 11:17 AM

Went back here to the same girl. She remarked that the place is pretty much getting no business only doing about 2-3 half hour massages a day. I told her that her tip structure was unreasonable for most guys, and only the stupid ones pay and usually do not come back. She responded that was ok. She remarked that she was younger than most of AMP women and implied better looking. I responded by saying, in China 31 years old is considered way over-the-hill and she knows that. Most Chinese guys would laugh at that. She retorted, that is ok. She was happy doing two massages a day and learn English in between or catch up her sleep. These women can be so whacky.

Her roomate was younger and slightly better body and may give her a try. My guess based upon reading this thread and my experience, is that the women have established a collective price on their services and will not deviate too much from the menu price. It is still one of the nicest AMP offices I have ever seen.

10-27-2007, 09:13 AM	#1
Zwoof Silver Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 153 vCash: 500	Review: 21D Jerusalem Ave, Hicksville Fellas, This is a new place that advertises in Craigslist. It is across the street from the Bank of America near the train overpass. There is a legitimate shopping center there with a furniture store so I had a hard time finding it. There is a door tucked in the corner that just says 21D on it with a standard issue AMP doorbell on it. If you remember the old Hong Hong (which probably had the hottest AMP girl ever!), it is near there. I ring the bell (the door is locked) and a broad comes down and lets me in. She is kinda cute, 35-30, a solid 7 for an AMP girl. There is a long hallway and they are on the second floor. This has to be the nicest AMP place ever. You walk up to a brand new office space with hardwood floors and freshly painted walls. What an idiot that landlord is ;-). I get ushered into another room and told to wait 5 mins. After waiting, another 35-40ish 7 comes down and gets me and brings me to another room. This room has the table and I see the little stand of oils and such so I think I'm golden. This broad asks me "Hard, medium, blah, blah.." and I always say soft. That's usually the signal to start playing with the boys right away plus I don't want them to think that they owe me any vestige of a massage because they all suck at it and I actually have back problems. She proceeds to NEVER come close to the boys, there was NO flip either!! Each time I get stiffed like this makes me more mad. I felt like punching her in the cunt as I walked out. Needless to say, I did not tip ($40 for the half). There were a lot of calls at the time too so I hope other UGers had a better experience. I could hear one guy on the phone during my massage (gotta love when they answer the phone) ask for the "prettiest girl". Was this anyone here??? Anywho, this place is definitely NOT a legitimate place but be careful because apparently they are. No legitimate place locks the door and escorts you in and out. I suggest getting up in the middle and asking for your money back if not satisfied. I waited too long. The Zomby Woof

10-30-2007, 01:21 PM	#4
al900 Silver Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 150 vCash: 500	21 D Sounds like this place needs a visit from our resident "Genius".

10-31-2007, 03:51 AM	#8
bd_0001 Bronze Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 41 vCash: 500	21D Jerusalem I went there, girls are cute in their early 30s. paid 40 for 1/2 and when the girl came in I asked her to get naked. She asked for 100. I negotiated down to 80 for naked and DATY. She doesn't like DATY and answered the phone while I was going down on her. I am pretty good at it but nothing! She rushed me to stop so she could finish me off. Not bad HJ but 120 was a little too high for the rush job and non-responsiveness. Her names was Mimi. She says she never does BJ or FS and to bring more money next time. Can you believe that!

12-13-2007, 06:07 AM	#23
TASTYSQEEZE Silver Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 213 vCash: 500	Expensive, dont fall prey. I'm thinking this place is ok for LI standards, the standard 60/40 house and since they know there younger and sexier than the old hags, they negoitciate upwards from $40 for a get out here jerk to a $100 for naked hj- I personally don't think its worth that much. There must be guys out there paying too much, cause my vibe is they get what they ask for. I also think nothing more is available on the menu other than a simple hj and maybeeee a quick closed leg lick or two- you all know I'm right. OH kATIE is cute, appears the youngest, but what happened to her tities, they look deflated? Oh there a busy place too- But EXPENSIVE boys for a habit.

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10-27-2007, 04:27 PM	#2
kmsonli Bronze Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13 vCash: 500	Same thing happened to me at 21D then I was stupid enough to go the other place in Hicksville that advertises on craig list on Broadway. I spent 60 at 21d. The girl was so good looking I just wanted to be naked in a room with her and I got suckered into 60 I was beggin her to give me HE but no. So I dragged my blue balls over to some place on Broadway spent another 40 at the place had some old women begged her for HE she also said no. That was it. So there I was no HE in Hicksville. How things have changed. I did feel bad about not tipping but hey

10-30-2007, 10:48 AM	#3
Vespasian Bronze Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37 vCash: 500	I recently checked this place out, their ad is on CL: http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ths/463871581.html I just went in (door unlocked) and up the stairs to see what the girls look like. Based on the above posts I decided not to waste my money on a lame massage. I saw 3 Chinese women, all pretty decent looking, in tight jeans, kind of seductive looks. I inquired about prices, hours, etc. and they gave me the usual AMP questions about where you work, occupation, how you hear about us. I asked for a card but they didn't have any, so one girl wrote the number on a piece of paper. The place looks like new office space, clean walls and hardwood floors. None of them speaks much English but they did say that business has been very slow since they opened. I went in at a time you would expect it to be busy but all 3 were just sitting around reading Chinese newspapers. My suspicion is that they intend to be very cautious about what they do here. Right now I don't have the patience for this kind of thing, I'll leave it to others to figure this place out.

10-30-2007, 01:46 PM	#5
RuffToy Gold Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,234 vCash: 500	The CL ad linked above is one of the finest written AMP ads I've ever read. Professional, correct spelling and they even include their license #. Plus new building, new facilities. I would bet the AMP is owned & operated by the landlord and he's being very cautious because it's his place and can't afford a bust. Probably a short term situation until he gets a better tenant. Because at this rate, they won't be able to afford the rent. Get it!! Just my read.

12-05-2007, 12:53 PM	#15
Vespasian Bronze Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37 vCash: 500	This place is now a cranking business, after a slow start. In spite of the above, I decided to give it another shot based on the hotness of the girls. Have been here 3 times, the first time nothing happened but after that a few things are on the menu. Had Selena, very nice body for an Asian and very friendly after the first visit with her. Took $40/30 min. & $60 for hj and naked top. A bit much but she's hot, would not get naked for that price but allowed full roaming. As I came in, 1 monger leaving, 2 mongers came in while I'm in the room, and 1 more monger coming in as I'm leaving. Last 2 times I went all 3 girls were busy.

12-06-2007, 08:33 AM	#17
ballys20 Gold Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,090 vCash: 500	I know this is the holidays and a "giving season" - but PLEASE - why should we mongers have to pay $100 for a naked hj. For some additional money, you can get the whole "ball of wax". Don't let inflation at the AMPS get to you. Hold the line on prices and they will COME DOWN!

12-06-2007, 11:03 AM	#18
Vespasian Bronze Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37 vCash: 500	Ok and ok. In my defense please note that these girls are hotter than anything else on LI (except for Cindy in Syosett). Read all the posts in this thread, others have paid more than me and gotten less than f/s too. I know for sure this place has been busy, perhaps we'll hear what others have been paying.

12-09-2007, 06:33 PM	#20
Vespasian Bronze Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 37 vCash: 500	The thread on Cindy: http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32158

12-11-2007, 02:59 PM	#21
TASTYSQEEZE Silver Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 213 vCash: 500	I had a nice time, a bit more money overall, but its a nice change from older amp workers. A visit every now and then is nice, but I;m sure what is available does vari on the day, girl and the dudes charm. I must say, im very charming!

12-12-2007, 10:41 AM	#22
whereitat Silver Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 289 vCash: 500	what was the damage & who did you see? thanks.

12-20-2007, 09:42 AM	#28
microtrash Bronze Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 41 vCash: 500	Went here yesterday, had a 10 minute wait and then selena/semina/whatever. She had long hair (mid-back) and was likely mid to upper 30s, with A-cups. 40 for 30 minutes, asked for a medium massage. Got medium/hard, but it was very good for an AMP massage, she really worked some knots out of my shoulder very well. After some time of just strait massage she moved closer; so i gave her some rubbing on the legs + ass. she proceeded to begin to tease the boys. Flipped, and she grabbed my cock and asked me if I wanted that, I said yes. She asked how much I'd tip, I said 30 (It was a good massage). She insisted on 40 and I didnt feel like arguing or leaving so I paid. OTC rubbing, but she used her arms to block me from having good access to her tits. A pretty good jerk, and a much better job cleaning up than usual. PS: Place was pretty clean for an AMP, they used disposable paper-type things on top of the towels on the massage table. (doctor office type things)

03-07-2008, 11:17 AM	#30
paperpusher banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,951 vCash: 500	Went back here to the same girl. She remarked that the place is pretty much getting no business only doing about 2-3 half hour massages a day. I told her that her tip structure was unreasonable for most guys, and only the stupid ones pay and usually do not come back. She responded that was ok. She remarked that she was younger than most of AMP women and implied better looking. I responded by saying, in China 31 years old is considered way over-the-hill and she knows that. Most Chinese guys would laugh at that. She retorted, that is ok. She was happy doing two massages a day and learn English in between or catch up her sleep. These women can be so whacky. Her roomate was younger and slightly better body and may give her a try. My guess based upon reading this thread and my experience, is that the women have established a collective price on their services and will not deviate too much from the menu price. It is still one of the nicest AMP offices I have ever seen.