Identity of Provider and Her Shill

bobfreeman · 01-30-2002, 06:15 AM

As with any product, it is the responsibility of the consumer to do research on the product. In deciding whether or not to buy a product, a consumer would use whatever resources are available to get more info. If this were a car, a consumer would get info from word of mouth, books and review boards. I view UtopiaGuide as a review board. It is a resource to determine whether or not to see a particular provider.

My thread about a provider and a shill generated almost 100 emails. It is my hunch that much was going on off the board. The bulk of the email was sent directly and not through UtopiaGuide. The majority asked me to name the provider and the shill. Many of the respondents wished to remain anonymous. Even well known people here. Use the info I give you but do not mention my name. Brave souls. I even got a few emails that gave me the provider and shill real identity. Their relationship, how she got busted, etc. Interesting. Judging from the emails a lot of people already know this info and much more than I do. So I think is no harm, no foul. The consensus wins. I am going to publish their names.

Brenda Love a.k.a. B2S now know as Stacey Steel to a select few (advertises on *** as sexxytimes@hotmail.com). Supposed to be working under the radar. Strange, thought under the radar meant something else not advertising like in the NY Times. If she were a man I would say she is thinking with her dick. Must be the money. She should have read my posting back in November on how to work under the covers.

Drew (drew1645@htomail.com). Drew sent some emails to me after I made a posting in November about B2S getting busted. I said I do not know B2S in that posting. That did not stop Drew from asking me how to contact B2S. I got the impression that he was looking for info on the person(s) or group(s) that got her busted. People just have big mouths.

Brenda works for Drew in real life. Drew was a client of hers. People who attended a UtopiaGuide event said this. People pointed me to B2S postings. Search for Drew's postings here and other boards. A clever person even told me how to look for a posting made by Drew on Foxfiles. Search for a review on any NY provider and then change name in URL to 'old_nyc_brenda.htm'.

This will no doubt generate a lot of controversy. To say again, I do not know these people nor do I work for a competitor. Just one voice out of many providing info for a product.

occasionalhobbyist · 01-30-2002, 06:45 AM

Well, I have to say I'm nonplussed.

BF, I advocated saying what you know, so I'm glad you have. You've laid your cards on the table. I think, frankly, that it's kind of like Ocean's Eleven: you think you have a royal flush, but what you really have is a nothing hand of hearts and diamonds (i.e. "All Reds")

This is not a "smoking gun." Most of us who know B2S know that she is still working, and know that she works for/with Drew (professionally, that is, not as a provider) and know that she is trying to remain under the radar, and for obvious reasons given the events of last Fall.

I don't doubt that Drew would have tried to e-mail you to find out whether or not you have some inside information about who caused the calamatous events in B2S's life back in November. That was a pretty rough month, as we all remember. If I was in his position -- whether you want to call that position a "shill" or a "friend" -- I might've done the same thing.

The question here is, "so what?" And for the moment, I don't see a lot here that answers it.

But thanks for airing the dirty laundry. I expect the result of this will be the development of another ID for one of NYC's most heralded providers. And I suspect Drew won't bother you any more. Or, maybe not.

Feel better?

johnest · 01-30-2002, 07:31 AM

Thanks for the info BF. Unlike many who have alot of information on whats going on I'm just an occasional user of the hobby. I was thinking of using "stacey steel" and I really would like to thank you for the advance notice. I live on Long Island and its seems that most are bait & switch or just a plain ripoff. I can't say this enough THANKS

occasionalhobbyist · 01-30-2002, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnest
Thanks for the info BF. Unlike many who have alot of information on whats going on I'm just an occasional user of the hobby. I was thinking of using "stacey steel" and I really would like to thank you for the advance notice. I live on Long Island and its seems that most are bait & switch or just a plain ripoff. I can't say this enough THANKS

Hang on a second. See, here's the dangerous part. No one is saying that B2S is a bait & switch or a ripoff. Quite to the contrary, those of us who have seen her would rank her among the best in the business. Check previous threads. (Full disclosure: I've seen her once, and have no interest in her success or failure, other than as a spectator.)

Which is why I'm taking BF to task above.

Let's put it this way: I'd encourage you to fully research this issue, particularly now that you have additional info, and make an informed choice.

If Stacey Steel is available and is as good-looking and service oriented as the person BF claims her to be, I think people will beat a path to her door. This is not a case of someone whose new identity was developed to hide bad reviews. She had very different reasons, which are all too well documented here.

johnest · 01-30-2002, 09:07 AM

Your right I shouldn't jump to conculsions. I will research more and make my own decisions. Guess I'm victim to all the bs on these boards.

Lucifer · 01-30-2002, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobfreeman
My thread about a provider and a shill generated almost 100 emails. It is my hunch that much was going on off the board. The bulk of the email was sent directly and not through UtopiaGuide.

Very interesting how this was done since you never posted your e-mail address.

Geezy Muldoon · 01-30-2002, 09:17 AM

Lucifer? Mommy? Daddy? You've come for me at last!

Ezrlove · 01-30-2002, 09:23 AM

BF - Your post does not contain any relavent information. What difference does it make who works for during the day. Why would you post personal information about her?

I think you should delete your own post.

mij317 · 01-30-2002, 10:10 AM

Conspiracy theorist that I am I can't help but think that bobfreeman is the shill.

We have seen posts like this result in a surge of business for providers in the past.

BF's post does not give any negative information and if anything, johns have responded with statements of how phenomenal reviews of this provider have been in the past.

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

Could BF be playing us?

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lucifer

Very interesting how this was done since you never posted your e-mail address.

At first, I thought the exact same thing. But then I remembered his prior posts, and now think that he means that people who had previously contacted him thru UG because of those posts are now contacting him "directly", using the addy they got from those prior "discussions".

And this wouldn't be the first time someone got an addy thru UG emailing, and then thought that the contact they were "experiencing" thru later contacts with the same person weren't "made thru UG".

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mij317
Conspiracy theorist that I am I can't help but think that bobfreeman is the shill.

We have seen posts like this result in a surge of business for providers in the past.

BF's post does not give any negative information and if anything, johns have responded with statements of how phenomenal reviews of this provider have been in the past.

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

Could BF be playing us?

Just to clarify: so your theory would be that bobfreeman is in fact a shill for this provider, using this topic as a "Trojan horse" to get her talked about on this board ?

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 11:12 AM

bobfreeman,

The latest backchannel hubbub is that you are LE Vice. Care to comment on this ?

occasionalhobbyist · 01-30-2002, 11:21 AM

There is such a thing as bad publicity. Ask Ken Lay.

Second, if this drives more biz to the lady in question, so what? All it will really have done is connect the dots for hobbyists who've been in the dark about it. I fail to see how this constitutes "playing" us.

Third, if he's LE vice, I am just so confused. How would this be helping him in that scenario?

Bottom line is, there's "nothing to see here."

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
There is such a thing as bad publicity. Ask Ken Lay.

Second, if this drives more biz to the lady in question, so what? All it will really have done is connect the dots for hobbyists who've been in the dark about it. I fail to see how this constitutes "playing" us.

Third, if he's LE vice, I am just so confused. How would this be helping him in that scenario?

Bottom line is, there's "nothing to see here."

Have to disagree on "second". IF ( that's a very important word in this sentance ) it was a case that BF was in fact "in with" the provider in question, and this was simply a smoke screen designed to drive business in her direction, then it certainly would be an attempt to "play us". This should not be construed to mean that I think this is the case ( I don't ).

Re: third: I think the notion that someone who was LE Vice would be doing this is just plain silly. But that doesn't change the fact that this is what is being passed around "backchannel". I just think it is germain to this discussion, and would be intersted in BF's rection.

mij317 · 01-30-2002, 12:24 PM

slinky,

I believe you understand the theory I put forth.

Essentially, what I mean is that BF's original post about people contacting him re B2C is just smoke directed at us and concocted by him to generate some sort of controversy to allow the provider to attact more business. Past experience has shown that the more a provider is mentioned in some sort of controversy (not simply a pile-on, bad reviews, bait and switch or rip off) where there are differing sides to a story, it has peaked the interest of our community and resulted in increased business for the provider.

I say this because BF's comments about her were not negative and it is predictable that any mention of her would get certain johns to start drooling and talking about their memorable experiences, which from what I've seen on UG, are usually extremely positive reviews touting legendary services. (perhaps with that comment I'll be accused of shilling even though I've never seen her professionally but I did meet her at a gathering some months ago)

OH, I used the word playing to mean exactly what our APM interpreted.

I am not sure if this is the case here, but it is food for thought and I would like to hear Bobfreeman's response.

Freeman? Anybody? Freeman?

Slinky, I am curious, why are you so quick to think that isn't the case here?

occasionalhobbyist · 01-30-2002, 12:25 PM

Fair 'nuff.

JoeyP · 01-30-2002, 01:16 PM

Confused as I am, have read and reread BF's posting history, one feeling keeps popping out.

BF has more of an interest here than he lets on. He knows too much and spends too much time attributing his information to others (especially in earlier posts).

I'm not in the "back channel" so this is as far as it goes for me.

THIS GUY HAS AN AGENDA

Now can someone tell us what it is?

ugjoeyp@hotmail.com

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 02:48 PM

"Slinky, I am curious, why are you so quick to think that isn't the case here?'

2 reasons:

1) bobfreeemans prior postings did not appear to be necessary to further that same agenda ( i.e. the one you postulate ) several months ago. They appear to be more oriented towards the opposite, and were of a tone that I don't believe would have been used by a "friendly" who was just looking to draw attention to her, and

2) if your premise were correct, I don't think the other camp would be trying so hard to discredit him by spreading rumours that he is Vice LE.

Of course, none of this is conclusive, and could just be a "really good coverup", but me read on it is that is being a little too "out there".

Bill Furniture · 01-30-2002, 03:01 PM

Since Drew rarely posts, it looks like bobfreeman's main reason for posting was to cause problems for BL in her personal life. I hope you're proud of yourself for picking on a girl.

goth · 01-30-2002, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
it looks like bobfreeman's main reason for posting was to cause problems for BL in her personal life. I hope you're proud of yourself for picking on a girl.

I think so too. I'm sure anyone who had tried to contact Stacey, she would tell you in her own words "My only request of you is that I would prefer to keep all pics and info about myself off of all boards."

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goth
I think so too. I'm sure anyone who had tried to contact Stacey, she would tell you in her own words "My only request of you is that I would prefer to keep all pics and info about myself off of all boards."

I'm confused. How would one come to contact Stacey in the first place, then ?

goth · 01-30-2002, 05:23 PM

Simply through her *** post as sexxytimes. She then sent you the pics, and chances are, sooner or later, people will find out who she was. So she asked her pics/info not to be posted.

Enough said, I'm doing exactly what she doesn't want, so I'm out.

Slinky Bender · 01-30-2002, 08:39 PM

I think it is both totally unrealistic and unreasonble for anyone to post an advertisement on a prostitution board ( this one or any other ), and then expect to be able to quash any discussion. If you want to be "under the radar", you don't do it by advertising on prostitution boards.

justlooking · 01-30-2002, 08:42 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JohnJ · 01-30-2002, 10:48 PM

Just a thought....

Could Bob Freeman be a boyfriend/ex-boyfriend/relative/friend of said provider...

someone trying to keep her away from here without trying to expose themselves to her.

????

I didn't say it was a well thought out thought... but it did pop in my head.

John J

jras · 01-31-2002, 06:53 PM

I'm sure that BillF can turn this one on its head, but maybe bobby's an obsessed former client with mixed feelings?

Slinky Bender · 01-31-2002, 08:17 PM

"mixed feelings"

Seeing your mother-in-law drove off a cliff in your new Porsche ?

ramstein · 02-01-2002, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnJ
Just a thought....

Could Bob Freeman be a boyfriend/ex-boyfriend/relative/friend of said provider...

someone trying to keep her away from here without trying to expose themselves to her.

????

I didn't say it was a well thought out thought... but it did pop in my head.

John J

Interesting and insightful conjecture. I did a search on this guy and his only posts were about the said provider(and none of them were very flattering to her).

ramstein · 02-01-2002, 06:05 AM

Here's a copy of an earlier post by bobfreeman that may be of interest...

Reasons
Body2See has been the latest buzz. I thought I would share my observations for whatever they are worth. I want to first say there is no malice or hidden agendas here. I have never met the lady. I am not in the hobby. I am not associated with any competing providers. I am not aligned with any members. I saw a friend reading the thread. I thought I would get my own member account.

1. Body2See, you got busted by your parents. Someone pointed them to UtopiaGuide.as Justme said. Out of desperation you have your friends start this bogus mixed identity story. What were you thinking? Looking at this board, there are many threads that you have started. There are many threads that contain many posting about you. Did you think that your parents are that dumb? Your bogus story blew up in your face. You should have gotten the moderator to erase all your threads and references.

2. Body2See, Littleguy said it was not a provider and it was not a member who got you busted under Brenda Love on the other board. This time he is clueless. Sounds like he has some inside info on who busted her the first time. As for this time, it sounds like a rival provider or dissatisfied client to me. Sometimes the most obvious reasons are overlooked. The economy tanked. Times are tough. Clients are scarce. Clients want their money's worth. Emotions run high. People do stupid things. This is big business.

3. Body2See, you became famous as Brenda Love. You hid under the radar after getting busted as Brenda Love. You re-emerged as Body2See.You became famous as Body2See. You got busted as Body2See. You are hiding under the radar once again. Is there a pattern? If you re-emerge again, you should be more discrete and tell your clients to keep their mouths shut and not post anything on a public forum for your parents to read.

4. Body2See, the saying, You Live By the Sword, You Die By the Sword fits you to a tee. You used the board to promote yourself. The board did you in. Popularity has its price.

quest · 02-01-2002, 06:50 AM

If Bob never saw this provider why does he take such interest to speak of her? I did alittle research and think Bob has a few screen names here on UG, some being Mrspleunker, cablesurfer and Bobfreeman. They all speak of the same person. I believe there is an agenda here.

01-30-2002, 06:15 AM	#1
bobfreeman Bronze Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6 vCash: 500	Identity of Provider and Her Shill As with any product, it is the responsibility of the consumer to do research on the product. In deciding whether or not to buy a product, a consumer would use whatever resources are available to get more info. If this were a car, a consumer would get info from word of mouth, books and review boards. I view UtopiaGuide as a review board. It is a resource to determine whether or not to see a particular provider. My thread about a provider and a shill generated almost 100 emails. It is my hunch that much was going on off the board. The bulk of the email was sent directly and not through UtopiaGuide. The majority asked me to name the provider and the shill. Many of the respondents wished to remain anonymous. Even well known people here. Use the info I give you but do not mention my name. Brave souls. I even got a few emails that gave me the provider and shill real identity. Their relationship, how she got busted, etc. Interesting. Judging from the emails a lot of people already know this info and much more than I do. So I think is no harm, no foul. The consensus wins. I am going to publish their names. Brenda Love a.k.a. B2S now know as Stacey Steel to a select few (advertises on *** as sexxytimes@hotmail.com). Supposed to be working under the radar. Strange, thought under the radar meant something else not advertising like in the NY Times. If she were a man I would say she is thinking with her dick. Must be the money. She should have read my posting back in November on how to work under the covers. Drew (drew1645@htomail.com). Drew sent some emails to me after I made a posting in November about B2S getting busted. I said I do not know B2S in that posting. That did not stop Drew from asking me how to contact B2S. I got the impression that he was looking for info on the person(s) or group(s) that got her busted. People just have big mouths. Brenda works for Drew in real life. Drew was a client of hers. People who attended a UtopiaGuide event said this. People pointed me to B2S postings. Search for Drew's postings here and other boards. A clever person even told me how to look for a posting made by Drew on Foxfiles. Search for a review on any NY provider and then change name in URL to 'old_nyc_brenda.htm'. This will no doubt generate a lot of controversy. To say again, I do not know these people nor do I work for a competitor. Just one voice out of many providing info for a product.

01-30-2002, 06:45 AM	#2
occasionalhobbyist Gold Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 500	So What, Who Cares, and Big Deal Well, I have to say I'm nonplussed. BF, I advocated saying what you know, so I'm glad you have. You've laid your cards on the table. I think, frankly, that it's kind of like Ocean's Eleven: you think you have a royal flush, but what you really have is a nothing hand of hearts and diamonds (i.e. "All Reds") This is not a "smoking gun." Most of us who know B2S know that she is still working, and know that she works for/with Drew (professionally, that is, not as a provider) and know that she is trying to remain under the radar, and for obvious reasons given the events of last Fall. I don't doubt that Drew would have tried to e-mail you to find out whether or not you have some inside information about who caused the calamatous events in B2S's life back in November. That was a pretty rough month, as we all remember. If I was in his position -- whether you want to call that position a "shill" or a "friend" -- I might've done the same thing. The question here is, "so what?" And for the moment, I don't see a lot here that answers it. But thanks for airing the dirty laundry. I expect the result of this will be the development of another ID for one of NYC's most heralded providers. And I suspect Drew won't bother you any more. Or, maybe not. Feel better?

01-30-2002, 07:31 AM	#3
johnest Bronze Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16 vCash: 500	THANKS Thanks for the info BF. Unlike many who have alot of information on whats going on I'm just an occasional user of the hobby. I was thinking of using "stacey steel" and I really would like to thank you for the advance notice. I live on Long Island and its seems that most are bait & switch or just a plain ripoff. I can't say this enough THANKS

01-30-2002, 12:25 PM	#16
occasionalhobbyist Gold Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 500	Fair 'nuff. Last edited by occasionalhobbyist; 01-30-2002 at 12:35 PM..

01-30-2002, 01:16 PM	#17
JoeyP Silver Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 419 vCash: 500	Confused as I am, have read and reread BF's posting history, one feeling keeps popping out. BF has more of an interest here than he lets on. He knows too much and spends too much time attributing his information to others (especially in earlier posts). I'm not in the "back channel" so this is as far as it goes for me. THIS GUY HAS AN AGENDA Now can someone tell us what it is? ugjoeyp@hotmail.com Last edited by JoeyP; 01-30-2002 at 01:17 PM..

01-30-2002, 09:07 AM	#5
johnest Bronze Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16 vCash: 500	Your right I shouldn't jump to conculsions. I will research more and make my own decisions. Guess I'm victim to all the bs on these boards.

01-30-2002, 09:17 AM	#7
Geezy Muldoon Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,351 vCash: 500	Lucifer? Mommy? Daddy? You've come for me at last!

01-30-2002, 09:23 AM	#8
Ezrlove Silver Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 279 vCash: 500	BF - Your post does not contain any relavent information. What difference does it make who works for during the day. Why would you post personal information about her? I think you should delete your own post.

01-30-2002, 10:10 AM	#9
mij317 Silver Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 106 vCash: 500	Conspiracy theorist that I am I can't help but think that bobfreeman is the shill. We have seen posts like this result in a surge of business for providers in the past. BF's post does not give any negative information and if anything, johns have responded with statements of how phenomenal reviews of this provider have been in the past. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Could BF be playing us?

01-30-2002, 11:12 AM	#12
Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,287 vCash: 500	bobfreeman, The latest backchannel hubbub is that you are LE Vice. Care to comment on this ?

01-30-2002, 11:21 AM	#13
occasionalhobbyist Gold Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,294 vCash: 500	There is such a thing as bad publicity. Ask Ken Lay. Second, if this drives more biz to the lady in question, so what? All it will really have done is connect the dots for hobbyists who've been in the dark about it. I fail to see how this constitutes "playing" us. Third, if he's LE vice, I am just so confused. How would this be helping him in that scenario? Bottom line is, there's "nothing to see here."

01-30-2002, 12:24 PM	#15
mij317 Silver Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 106 vCash: 500	slinky, I believe you understand the theory I put forth. Essentially, what I mean is that BF's original post about people contacting him re B2C is just smoke directed at us and concocted by him to generate some sort of controversy to allow the provider to attact more business. Past experience has shown that the more a provider is mentioned in some sort of controversy (not simply a pile-on, bad reviews, bait and switch or rip off) where there are differing sides to a story, it has peaked the interest of our community and resulted in increased business for the provider. I say this because BF's comments about her were not negative and it is predictable that any mention of her would get certain johns to start drooling and talking about their memorable experiences, which from what I've seen on UG, are usually extremely positive reviews touting legendary services. (perhaps with that comment I'll be accused of shilling even though I've never seen her professionally but I did meet her at a gathering some months ago) OH, I used the word playing to mean exactly what our APM interpreted. I am not sure if this is the case here, but it is food for thought and I would like to hear Bobfreeman's response. Freeman? Anybody? Freeman? Slinky, I am curious, why are you so quick to think that isn't the case here?

01-30-2002, 02:48 PM	#18
Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,287 vCash: 500	"Slinky, I am curious, why are you so quick to think that isn't the case here?' 2 reasons: 1) bobfreeemans prior postings did not appear to be necessary to further that same agenda ( i.e. the one you postulate ) several months ago. They appear to be more oriented towards the opposite, and were of a tone that I don't believe would have been used by a "friendly" who was just looking to draw attention to her, and 2) if your premise were correct, I don't think the other camp would be trying so hard to discredit him by spreading rumours that he is Vice LE. Of course, none of this is conclusive, and could just be a "really good coverup", but me read on it is that is being a little too "out there".

01-30-2002, 03:01 PM	#19
Bill Furniture Flounder Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 10,182 vCash: 500	Since Drew rarely posts, it looks like bobfreeman's main reason for posting was to cause problems for BL in her personal life. I hope you're proud of yourself for picking on a girl.

01-30-2002, 05:23 PM	#22
goth Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 73 vCash: 500	Simply through her *** post as sexxytimes. She then sent you the pics, and chances are, sooner or later, people will find out who she was. So she asked her pics/info not to be posted. Enough said, I'm doing exactly what she doesn't want, so I'm out.

01-30-2002, 08:39 PM	#23
Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,287 vCash: 500	I think it is both totally unrealistic and unreasonble for anyone to post an advertisement on a prostitution board ( this one or any other ), and then expect to be able to quash any discussion. If you want to be "under the radar", you don't do it by advertising on prostitution boards.

01-30-2002, 08:42 PM	#24
justlooking Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 25,489 vCash: 500	DITTO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-30-2002, 10:48 PM	#25
JohnJ Repentant Sinner Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 747 vCash: 500	hmmmmm Just a thought.... Could Bob Freeman be a boyfriend/ex-boyfriend/relative/friend of said provider... someone trying to keep her away from here without trying to expose themselves to her. ???? I didn't say it was a well thought out thought... but it did pop in my head. John J

01-31-2002, 06:53 PM	#26
jras Gold Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 3,102 vCash: 500	theory 69 I'm sure that BillF can turn this one on its head, but maybe bobby's an obsessed former client with mixed feelings?

01-31-2002, 08:17 PM	#27
Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,287 vCash: 500	"mixed feelings" Seeing your mother-in-law drove off a cliff in your new Porsche ?

02-01-2002, 06:05 AM	#29
ramstein Gold Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 659 vCash: 500	Here's a copy of an earlier post by bobfreeman that may be of interest... Reasons Body2See has been the latest buzz. I thought I would share my observations for whatever they are worth. I want to first say there is no malice or hidden agendas here. I have never met the lady. I am not in the hobby. I am not associated with any competing providers. I am not aligned with any members. I saw a friend reading the thread. I thought I would get my own member account. 1. Body2See, you got busted by your parents. Someone pointed them to UtopiaGuide.as Justme said. Out of desperation you have your friends start this bogus mixed identity story. What were you thinking? Looking at this board, there are many threads that you have started. There are many threads that contain many posting about you. Did you think that your parents are that dumb? Your bogus story blew up in your face. You should have gotten the moderator to erase all your threads and references. 2. Body2See, Littleguy said it was not a provider and it was not a member who got you busted under Brenda Love on the other board. This time he is clueless. Sounds like he has some inside info on who busted her the first time. As for this time, it sounds like a rival provider or dissatisfied client to me. Sometimes the most obvious reasons are overlooked. The economy tanked. Times are tough. Clients are scarce. Clients want their money's worth. Emotions run high. People do stupid things. This is big business. 3. Body2See, you became famous as Brenda Love. You hid under the radar after getting busted as Brenda Love. You re-emerged as Body2See.You became famous as Body2See. You got busted as Body2See. You are hiding under the radar once again. Is there a pattern? If you re-emerge again, you should be more discrete and tell your clients to keep their mouths shut and not post anything on a public forum for your parents to read. 4. Body2See, the saying, You Live By the Sword, You Die By the Sword fits you to a tee. You used the board to promote yourself. The board did you in. Popularity has its price.

02-01-2002, 06:50 AM	#30
quest Bronze Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1 vCash: 500	shady If Bob never saw this provider why does he take such interest to speak of her? I did alittle research and think Bob has a few screen names here on UG, some being Mrspleunker, cablesurfer and Bobfreeman. They all speak of the same person. I believe there is an agenda here.