I'm a Jets fan who thinks Rex Ryan is a DICK. - Page 4

Ozzy · 01-04-2012, 04:29 PM

Rex might not have known but the TV cameras sure did. And so did the announcer when he mentioned in the final minutes that Holmes was sitting on the sideline not even paying attention to the game.

So what's worse... the star WR who doesn't pay attention to his team as they're getting booted from the playoffs... Or the head coach who wasn't paying attention to the fact his best offensive player wasn't in the game while the offense was struggling and the season was on the line.

And does this mean we won't see Rex on the Letterman show in the spring making Super Bowl guarantees?

Heartbreaker · 01-04-2012, 05:10 PM

Now Ryan is saying he didn't have the pulse of the team in a year which he guaranteed a Super Bowl win.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201..._holmes_t.html

DoctorBeaver · 01-04-2012, 05:24 PM

I don't think you guys understand that the Jets are a team of "extremely selfish individuals" with a "corrupt mindset." This according to Greg McElroy, a grunt rookie QB on the team:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...orrupt-mindset

If so then the Coach and the GM are responsible for assembling such a team of selfish and corrupt individuals.

Ozzy · 01-04-2012, 05:41 PM

You don't have to tell me about "selfish" players and lets not stop at selfish. There's the unclutch the lazy, the clubhouse cancers, playing for the money etc... I often refer to them as "dogshit". And an example of one I've discussed a bit is Barry "Dogshit" Bonds... for whom term "dogshit" is named after. Holmes proved what he is by sulking and or doing whatever landed him on the bench. I got's no issues with Plaxico cause I thought he got a bum rap for being stupid... granted.... stupid with a deadly weapon but just stupid nonetheless. If everyone got 2 yrs for being stupid 99% of our country would be in prison. And he did make the big catch in the game. However... why bring a guy with that stink on him much like Vick. The Eagles took a lot of shit and had a lot of unnecessary publicity and distractions as a result of signing him. The Jets should have learned from them.

Ozzy · 01-04-2012, 05:51 PM

And having seen more than enough of Sanchize in 3 years now I can tell you he's not the future. He's not even as good as Henne and Miami's done with him. Sanchez has happy feet in the pocket where he feels even slight pressure and instead of stepping up or sidestepping to complete as pass, he starts hopping around and running from the pocket.... and great QB's don't suffer from that.... ever. And it's not a learned talent, you either have it or you don't. Marino, Fouts and Manning are three not very mobile QB's who thrived at it and completed all those last second passes just as a blitzer was zoned in and neither got sacked or even hit much.

DoctorBeaver · 01-04-2012, 05:54 PM

What your saying in other words is that Sanchez is a yellow bellied, chickenshit, candyass coward, correct?

Ozzy · 01-05-2012, 12:37 AM

I said it here somewhere before the Jets fans jumped down my throat for criticizing their pick at the time. But he's a southern Cal QB not used to taking NFL hits and in the cold weather where it hurts worse. It's worn on him and now he's become as you said... a yellow bellied, chickenshit, candyass coward. Think about it.... Aside from Aaron Rodgers, how many good NFL QB's come from southern Cal, and how many of those play in the cold weather. They play a different brand of football in the PAC10 and it doesn't produce the kind of QB that say...small towns in western Pennsylvania, Purdue, Mich, Ohio St nor the big 10 schools do.

DoctorBeaver · 01-05-2012, 03:23 AM

I am not a Jets fan, but when I saw Sanchez his rookie year, I thought he would be better than he has turned out so far. He reminded me of Jim Plunkett, a QB in the NFL from the 1970s and 1980s who sort of had a lackluster career until he was picked up by the Raiders, which ran an offense well suited to Plunkett's talent to throw the deep ball. I mentioned this comparison to a friend of mine who says he has seen every Jets game since 1994, and he told me that the Jets do not let Sanchez throw downfield, although he has the requisite arm strength to do so, because they want to keep his turnovers/INTs down. However, employing this strategy, possibly also due to the available wide receiver and tight end talent they have, has not succeeded in keeping his TOs down. What is most disconcerting to me, as a non Jets fan and neutral observer, is Sanchez does not seem interested in analyzing the game when on the sidelines. He is either eating hot dogs or else looking like he is pretending he is on the beach in Southern Cal. Neither of these activities is productive of learning his chosen trade which is professional NFL QB.

canthelpit · 01-05-2012, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

I said it here somewhere before the Jets fans jumped down my throat for criticizing their pick at the time. But he's a southern Cal QB not used to taking NFL hits and in the cold weather where it hurts worse. It's worn on him and now he's become as you said... a yellow bellied, chickenshit, candyass coward. Think about it.... Aside from Aaron Rodgers, how many good NFL QB's come from southern Cal, and how many of those play in the cold weather. They play a different brand of football in the PAC10 and it doesn't produce the kind of QB that say...small towns in western Pennsylvania, Purdue, Mich, Ohio St nor the big 10 schools do.

I'm quick to jump on the hate sanchez wagon, but really, this is like his senior year in college. And I keep reminding myself that drew brees was replaced by Flutie in his third year. Is Sanchez a Brees,,,NO, but I'm still holding out hope.

Il Pagliacco · 01-05-2012, 08:39 AM

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I'm quick to jump on the hate sanchez wagon, but really, this is like his senior year in college. And I keep reminding myself that drew brees was replaced by Flutie in his third year. Is Sanchez a Brees,,,NO, but I'm still holding out hope.

Not a Brees? Sanchez ain't even a Flutie!!!!

DoctorBeaver · 01-05-2012, 09:19 AM

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Sanchez ain't even a Flutie!!!!

The relevant question is whether he is a Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Browning Nagle, Neil O'Donnell, or Chad Pennington?

IgetAround · 01-05-2012, 12:06 PM

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The relevant question is whether he is a Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Browning Nagle, Neil O'Donnell, or Chad Pennington?

What NO Boomer? How quickly the "Great One's " fade.

DoctorBeaver · 01-05-2012, 03:07 PM

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What NO Boomer? How quickly the "Great One's " fade.

Boomer led the AFC in passing when he was with the Bengals and I figured it would be insulting to include him with the other guys I mentioned (plus he was essentially washed up when the Jets got him). Ditto with Vinny Testaverde who had one of the great arms of all time and a few very good seasons. It's not playing fair to compare Sanchez to those two or to Joe Namath.

Ozzy · 01-05-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorBeaver

The relevant question is whether he is a Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Browning Nagle, Neil O'Donnell, or Chad Pennington?

I wouldn't put Pennington in that mix. He simply never had the arm strength to have any business playing in the NFL... yet he played 10 years and took a few Jets teams into the playoffs and a 1-15 Miami team from worst to first in the AFC east his only injury-free year. If Pennington had half the arm any of those others had.... he'd be Dan Marino.

I also don't recall Vinnie having such a great arm. He was average maybe slightly above and his throwing motion made him appear in slow motion. He was certainly no Elway, Marino or Kelly.

Arm strength is everything in the NFL. You can learn to read a defense, you can maybe learn some footwork.... but you either can or can't throw a strike to your WR on an inside slant from 20 yards.

Ozzy · 01-05-2012, 04:46 PM

And you forgot Matt Robinson....

Heartbreaker · 01-05-2012, 05:50 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...for-magazines/

I knew it was only a matter of time before some player made a comment about Sanchez's GQ spread.

DoctorBeaver · 01-05-2012, 06:01 PM

There is a certain amount of piling on Sanchez that is going on here, but I think much of it is revealing. I don't think Jenkins' comment are in any way out of line. He is probably being quite candid. A good dose of candid criticism might actually do Sanchez some good. He's had his manhood and his leadership ability questioned. It's fair that people around him expect his potential to translate into production at some point in time.

lightweight · 01-06-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

And having seen more than enough of Sanchize in 3 years now I can tell you he's not the future. He's not even as good as Henne and Miami's done with him. Sanchez has happy feet in the pocket where he feels even slight pressure and instead of stepping up or sidestepping to complete as pass, he starts hopping around and running from the pocket.... and great QB's don't suffer from that.... ever. And it's not a learned talent, you either have it or you don't. Marino, Fouts and Manning are three not very mobile QB's who thrived at it and completed all those last second passes just as a blitzer was zoned in and neither got sacked or even hit much.

But Ozzy, they all had an O-line.I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying it is not known yet... He was fine the last 2 yrs. This yr, I agree with you, but I think it is because he got the shit kicked out of him every game. He got gun shy...

Ozzy · 01-06-2012, 12:25 PM

When you have a pro-bowl center who is the most important person on the line to the QB... You can't knock the line. And the rest of the Jets line is average... not shitty and not enough of an excuse. The reason he gets hit so much is because he has no pocket presence. A QB has to help themselves at least 50% of the time.

lightweight · 01-07-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

When you have a pro-bowl center who is the most important person on the line to the QB... You can't knock the line. And the rest of the Jets line is average... not shitty and not enough of an excuse. The reason he gets hit so much is because he has no pocket presence. A QB has to help themselves at least 50% of the time.

I agree, but to make it worse is that DBrick is also a pro bowl player this yr.... I was not really sticking up for Sanchez, as he did do a bad job, but having a bad line and no run did not help....

Ozzy · 01-07-2012, 01:19 PM

Marino never had any run at all.... like last or second to last in the NFL every year, and not much of a line aside from Stephenson for only a couple years before he blew out his in the Meadowlands and finished his career, and Richmond Webb who protected Marino's back for about a decade. And Marino as immobile as he was set records for games without being sacked. It's all about being able to make one step to avoid most sacks.

lightweight · 01-08-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Marino never had any run at all.... like last or second to last in the NFL every year, and not much of a line aside from Stephenson for only a couple years before he blew out his in the Meadowlands and finished his career, and Richmond Webb who protected Marino's back for about a decade. And Marino as immobile as he was set records for games without being sacked. It's all about being able to make one step to avoid most sacks.

Maybe like Baseball teams do with retired players, Maybe Marino can help Sanchez in in summer, get paid, because Sanchez can move and he can run....

IgetAround · 01-11-2012, 10:47 AM

No big surprise there. I guess they made a deal with Shotts to save him the embarresment of being fired and save a new employer the questions of why hire someone else's outcast.

I like the Sparano hire, I don't know what kind of X's and O's type of guy he is, but this is a move in the right direction.

DoctorBeaver · 01-11-2012, 12:46 PM

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I like the Sparano hire

Why? Prior to being with the Dolphins, his career track was to have been fired by the Browns, Redskins and Jaguars, then hired as offensive play caller by the Cowboys only to be quickly replaced by Jason Garrett. He was then fired by the Dolphins who progressively declined after his stellar first season. So his record is fired, fired, fired, replaced by Jason Garrett, fired. Please enlighten us as to why you like this hire.

You were the one talking about embarassment of Schottenheimer being fired, yet Sparano has 5 fires or constructive firings on his record.

IgetAround · 01-11-2012, 01:33 PM

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Please enlighten us as to why you like this hire.

You were the one talking about embarassment of Schottenheimer being fired, yet Sparano has 5 fires or constructive firings on his record.

You make it sound like he's been fired for doing a bad job. The "truth" to all his firings (Except in Miami where he was HC) was that he was fired along with the Head Coach and the rest of that staff. He and Schottenheimer Sr. got a raw deal in Washington when Snyder wanted to go with that "legend" Steve Spurrier. He just joined Coughlins staff in Jacksonville when Tom was already on his way out the door. And in Cleveland I can't even remember that Head Coachs name, who was less than impressive. As for Garrett, if I remember correctly, he was brought in specifically by Jerry Jones to be the OC and possible future HC and Parcells had allready left.

But the reason I like Sparano is #1) he's a Parcells guy. I like Parcells guys (Belichick, Groh, Cranell, et al). #2) I think he resurrected the wild cat from NFL dormancy and put a little more excitement back in the game. #3) I think he did a great (yes, Great) job in Miami, especially with what he had to work with, including the media loving owner and that brass GM, and NO real QB. I guess some people forget he took a 1-15 team to the division title the next year with Chad Pennington at QB. #4) and finally, I think Sparano is an "Old School" type of Coach, maybe the "Anti-Rex" which might give the Jets a little more balance.

I personally felt that Schotts Jr. was a stooge to Ryan, while he did have control of the offense, he failed to truly prepare (read- Discipline) his players, and played too many games not to lose (read-no balls). So yes I like this hiring and will be looking forward to what happens to this team in the off season.

IgetAround · 01-11-2012, 01:42 PM

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You were the one talking about embarassment of Schottenheimer being fired,

The only reason Schotts wasn't directly fired was because if he did have a shot at getting another OC job, it would probably save the Jets some money. If his father gets the Tampa job and brings him in to be his OC (again), the media reaction would be worse because of his recent firing and talk of nepotism. This way it looks like he LEFT to work with his dad, a good move for all parties.

Ozzy · 01-11-2012, 02:12 PM

Sparano is an O-Line guy. He's there to boost the Jets running game make no mistake about it. He got a bad deal in Miami. Took a shit team to the division title in one year with a gimpy weak armed QB and a bag of tricks.... and then got absolutely no help from the GM who rather than get the players Sparano needed, only shopped for names to make their star fucker owner happy... Not to mention he was undermined repeatedly by the front office and was basically fired this time last year when the GM and owner went on a foolish coaching hunt.

And rather than being a fat lazy bastard like Rex and getting his stomach tied in a knot, he lost his weight the old fashioned way.

Sparano's a good guy, a players coach. If anyone is going to inspire his team it's him.

DoctorBeaver · 01-11-2012, 02:19 PM

Sparano has no track record as an effective O-coordinator at the NFL level. His only past record of success working with an offense was with division II University of New Haven. He may be a good guy and one of Bill Parcells's favored sons but he has no track record of success at the NFL level.

Ozzy · 01-11-2012, 04:00 PM

Sparano has about a decade of NFL offensive coaching experience from a running backs coach to the O-line/asst coach at Dallas and then 4 years as a head coach. So he's covered about all facets of the offense in his experience. Until this year when he played way too conservative because his job was on the line from week one, he's been a pretty good play caller and great at clock management. The most important part of any offense is "blocking schemes"... for both running and pass protection and Miami was pretty good at both while he was there and with very inferior (cept for Jake Long) talent. I think the Jets upgraded in a big way from Shotts to Sparano.

IgetAround · 01-11-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorBeaver

Sparano has no track record as an effective O-coordinator at the NFL level. His only past record of success working with an offense was with division II University of New Haven. He may be a good guy and one of Bill Parcells's favored sons but he has no track record of success at the NFL level.

I've seen guys get Head Coaching jobs with less success than Sparano. I'll take a former head coach who's hungry to reclaim a top spot over any first time coordinator every time.

God forgive me, But as Mike Francesa would say, "give me the guy who's better" Doc? Throw me a realistic name or two and we'll discuss it.

As for Parcells and Belichick. I am no fan of their personalities. Parcells (who takes every job with one foot already out the door) and Belichick (the "Evil Genius") coach with only one thing on there minds; WINNING. No shows for the media, No dumb commercials, No shameful headlines, no stupid guarantees, just shut up, play and win. And those rules apply to not just their player but asst. coachs too. The way football should be played.

01-04-2012, 05:24 PM	#93
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	Selfish Players Dominate Locker Room I don't think you guys understand that the Jets are a team of "extremely selfish individuals" with a "corrupt mindset." This according to Greg McElroy, a grunt rookie QB on the team: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...orrupt-mindset If so then the Coach and the GM are responsible for assembling such a team of selfish and corrupt individuals.

01-04-2012, 05:54 PM	#96
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	Sanchez What your saying in other words is that Sanchez is a yellow bellied, chickenshit, candyass coward, correct?

01-05-2012, 12:37 AM	#97
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	I said it here somewhere before the Jets fans jumped down my throat for criticizing their pick at the time. But he's a southern Cal QB not used to taking NFL hits and in the cold weather where it hurts worse. It's worn on him and now he's become as you said... a yellow bellied, chickenshit, candyass coward. Think about it.... Aside from Aaron Rodgers, how many good NFL QB's come from southern Cal, and how many of those play in the cold weather. They play a different brand of football in the PAC10 and it doesn't produce the kind of QB that say...small towns in western Pennsylvania, Purdue, Mich, Ohio St nor the big 10 schools do. Last edited by Ozzy; 01-05-2012 at 12:42 AM..

01-11-2012, 10:47 AM	#113
IgetAround Gold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,018 vCash: 500	Schottenheimer Out, Sparano In No big surprise there. I guess they made a deal with Shotts to save him the embarresment of being fired and save a new employer the questions of why hire someone else's outcast. I like the Sparano hire, I don't know what kind of X's and O's type of guy he is, but this is a move in the right direction.

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01-04-2012, 04:29 PM	#91
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	Rex might not have known but the TV cameras sure did. And so did the announcer when he mentioned in the final minutes that Holmes was sitting on the sideline not even paying attention to the game. So what's worse... the star WR who doesn't pay attention to his team as they're getting booted from the playoffs... Or the head coach who wasn't paying attention to the fact his best offensive player wasn't in the game while the offense was struggling and the season was on the line. And does this mean we won't see Rex on the Letterman show in the spring making Super Bowl guarantees?

01-04-2012, 05:10 PM	#92
Heartbreaker Gold Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,015 vCash: 500	Now Ryan is saying he didn't have the pulse of the team in a year which he guaranteed a Super Bowl win. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201..._holmes_t.html

01-04-2012, 05:41 PM	#94
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	You don't have to tell me about "selfish" players and lets not stop at selfish. There's the unclutch the lazy, the clubhouse cancers, playing for the money etc... I often refer to them as "dogshit". And an example of one I've discussed a bit is Barry "Dogshit" Bonds... for whom term "dogshit" is named after. Holmes proved what he is by sulking and or doing whatever landed him on the bench. I got's no issues with Plaxico cause I thought he got a bum rap for being stupid... granted.... stupid with a deadly weapon but just stupid nonetheless. If everyone got 2 yrs for being stupid 99% of our country would be in prison. And he did make the big catch in the game. However... why bring a guy with that stink on him much like Vick. The Eagles took a lot of shit and had a lot of unnecessary publicity and distractions as a result of signing him. The Jets should have learned from them.

01-04-2012, 05:51 PM	#95
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	And having seen more than enough of Sanchize in 3 years now I can tell you he's not the future. He's not even as good as Henne and Miami's done with him. Sanchez has happy feet in the pocket where he feels even slight pressure and instead of stepping up or sidestepping to complete as pass, he starts hopping around and running from the pocket.... and great QB's don't suffer from that.... ever. And it's not a learned talent, you either have it or you don't. Marino, Fouts and Manning are three not very mobile QB's who thrived at it and completed all those last second passes just as a blitzer was zoned in and neither got sacked or even hit much.

01-05-2012, 03:23 AM	#98
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	I am not a Jets fan, but when I saw Sanchez his rookie year, I thought he would be better than he has turned out so far. He reminded me of Jim Plunkett, a QB in the NFL from the 1970s and 1980s who sort of had a lackluster career until he was picked up by the Raiders, which ran an offense well suited to Plunkett's talent to throw the deep ball. I mentioned this comparison to a friend of mine who says he has seen every Jets game since 1994, and he told me that the Jets do not let Sanchez throw downfield, although he has the requisite arm strength to do so, because they want to keep his turnovers/INTs down. However, employing this strategy, possibly also due to the available wide receiver and tight end talent they have, has not succeeded in keeping his TOs down. What is most disconcerting to me, as a non Jets fan and neutral observer, is Sanchez does not seem interested in analyzing the game when on the sidelines. He is either eating hot dogs or else looking like he is pretending he is on the beach in Southern Cal. Neither of these activities is productive of learning his chosen trade which is professional NFL QB.

01-05-2012, 04:46 PM	#105
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	And you forgot Matt Robinson....

01-05-2012, 05:50 PM	#106
Heartbreaker Gold Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,015 vCash: 500	http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...for-magazines/ I knew it was only a matter of time before some player made a comment about Sanchez's GQ spread.

01-05-2012, 06:01 PM	#107
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	There is a certain amount of piling on Sanchez that is going on here, but I think much of it is revealing. I don't think Jenkins' comment are in any way out of line. He is probably being quite candid. A good dose of candid criticism might actually do Sanchez some good. He's had his manhood and his leadership ability questioned. It's fair that people around him expect his potential to translate into production at some point in time.

01-06-2012, 12:25 PM	#109
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	When you have a pro-bowl center who is the most important person on the line to the QB... You can't knock the line. And the rest of the Jets line is average... not shitty and not enough of an excuse. The reason he gets hit so much is because he has no pocket presence. A QB has to help themselves at least 50% of the time.

01-07-2012, 01:19 PM	#111
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	Marino never had any run at all.... like last or second to last in the NFL every year, and not much of a line aside from Stephenson for only a couple years before he blew out his in the Meadowlands and finished his career, and Richmond Webb who protected Marino's back for about a decade. And Marino as immobile as he was set records for games without being sacked. It's all about being able to make one step to avoid most sacks.

01-11-2012, 02:12 PM	#117
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	Sparano is an O-Line guy. He's there to boost the Jets running game make no mistake about it. He got a bad deal in Miami. Took a shit team to the division title in one year with a gimpy weak armed QB and a bag of tricks.... and then got absolutely no help from the GM who rather than get the players Sparano needed, only shopped for names to make their star fucker owner happy... Not to mention he was undermined repeatedly by the front office and was basically fired this time last year when the GM and owner went on a foolish coaching hunt. And rather than being a fat lazy bastard like Rex and getting his stomach tied in a knot, he lost his weight the old fashioned way. Sparano's a good guy, a players coach. If anyone is going to inspire his team it's him.

01-11-2012, 02:19 PM	#118
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	Sparano has no track record as an effective O-coordinator at the NFL level. His only past record of success working with an offense was with division II University of New Haven. He may be a good guy and one of Bill Parcells's favored sons but he has no track record of success at the NFL level.

01-11-2012, 04:00 PM	#119
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,428 vCash: 500	Sparano has about a decade of NFL offensive coaching experience from a running backs coach to the O-line/asst coach at Dallas and then 4 years as a head coach. So he's covered about all facets of the offense in his experience. Until this year when he played way too conservative because his job was on the line from week one, he's been a pretty good play caller and great at clock management. The most important part of any offense is "blocking schemes"... for both running and pass protection and Miami was pretty good at both while he was there and with very inferior (cept for Jake Long) talent. I think the Jets upgraded in a big way from Shotts to Sparano.