2012 Yankees

LISteve · 10-07-2011, 03:33 AM

Swisher's contract has a buy out for 2012. Pay it and get rid of him. He can't hit in the clutch.

See if anyone wants Tex. He is PATHETIC in any clutch situation. I have seen enough.

See if they can land any ace. They need 2 aces.

Get rid of AJ. They can't waste a rotation spot on him. Write the contract off as a loss.

At least they will be better than the Mets ... that is always a good feeling.

lightweight · 10-07-2011, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LISteve

Swisher's contract has a buy out for 2012. Pay it and get rid of him. He can't hit in the clutch.

See if anyone wants Tex. He is PATHETIC in any clutch situation. I have seen enough.

See if they can land any ace. They need 2 aces.

Get rid of AJ. They can't waste a rotation spot on him. Write the contract off as a loss.

At least they will be better than the Mets ... that is always a good feeling.

Maybe not..... I think the Mets will be better..... The Yanks have been pathetic for 11 years... What a joke... 11 yrs with that payroll, and only one championship? Holy shit, what a joke...

LISteve · 10-07-2011, 08:23 AM

LW ... I will still take it .... you are looking at 25 years without a title and your boys have a nice payroll too!

lightweight · 10-07-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

LW ... I will still take it .... you are looking at 25 years without a title and your boys have a nice payroll too!

We are not talking about the Mets here... This is all about your joke of a team...

lightweight · 10-07-2011, 08:28 AM

Oh, and I am glad that you are still with us.. I know some guys thought that you did jump off of that ledge... I did not really want you to get hurt.... Well, OK, maybe just like a broken ankle or something....lol

LISteve · 10-07-2011, 08:34 AM

I was very frustrated last night. However .... we will win another ring within the next 3 years. That's what is so great about the Yankees. The next championship is just around the corner! I will be jumping next year .... jumping for joy!!!!

lightweight · 10-07-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

I was very frustrated last night. However .... we will win another ring within the next 3 years. That's what is so great about the Yankees. The next championship is just around the corner! I will be jumping next year .... jumping for joy!!!!

Well, for your sake, I hope you are right... I just want to win one in like the next 10 years...lol

LISteve · 10-14-2011, 01:30 AM

Rotation:

1. CC Sabathia - he will be here and we need him
2. Ivan Nova - 15 - 20 wins. He's very good
3. Hughes - Hopefully he reverts back to 2010
4. Trade AJ with cash for somebody else's headache: Derek Lowe or Zambrano?
5. Rookie Competition: Banuelos/Betances/Noesi

Here's the deal ... they will make the postseason. They need to solidify their rotation. Can we succeed with AJ in the rotation. Nobody will take him with his contract but if another team has an expensive headache maybe a trade can be had. Zambrano makes simililar money and AJ would be more effective in the weak NL Central. We would have to send cash with the deal as Burnett has 2 years left and Zambrano has one year left. There are other similar situations like Derek Lowe or Barry Zito.

Is a free agent the amswer? The only decent pitcher is CJ Wilson. He just lost his postseason start and is a decent #3 starter. If he can be had for 2-3 years at $10 mill a year then fine. However ... someone is going to give him 4-5 years at much more money. I would honestly rather give the spot to one of our talented rookies.

I have also backed off on getting rid of Tex. Why? Because he is a solid regular season performer, good character guy and his contract is impossible to move. I think they should see if there is anything out there better than Swisher for right field. If so ... don't pick up his option and let him go.

Yankees need more clutch players:

Mattingly
Munson
Piniella
Brosius
ONeil
Bernie
LUIS SOJO!!!

There were players you knew would come through ... and the guys we now have ...A-Rod/Tex/Swish ... you know they are going to choke. You simply can't have that as your 4/5/6 in the order. It may be easier if we had more dominant pitching.

LISteve · 10-24-2011, 05:46 AM

OK .... here comes the newest Japanese Cy Young. Just like all the others this guy is a can't miss. If he asks his team to allow him to become an American free agent then any team that wants to try to sign him will have to bid for the right to talk to him. The Red Sox bid over $50 mill for Dice K. He had maybe one good year. These Japanese pitchers just don't last. The Yankees need another top arm but I really can't see paying a large posting fee for this guy. Maybe they can put in a "low" bid of $20 to $25 mil.

lightweight · 10-24-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

OK .... here comes the newest Japanese Cy Young. Just like all the others this guy is a can't miss. If he asks his team to allow him to become an American free agent then any team that wants to try to sign him will have to bid for the right to talk to him. The Red Sox bid over $50 mill for Dice K. He had maybe one good year. These Japanese pitchers just don't last. The Yankees need another top arm but I really can't see paying a large posting fee for this guy. Maybe they can put in a "low" bid of $20 to $25 mil.

isnt it funny that you are calling a 20 to 25 million bid, just to talk to a player, LOW? lol

LISteve · 10-24-2011, 02:50 PM

LW ... I know .. ridiculous. Somebody is going to dump a boatload of money on this guy. One thing I will say is ... He will bring a ton of fans with him. He may actually be worth it. He is supposedly more popular than Dice K, Matsui and Ichiro put together. I am really curious to see how this whole thing turns out.

Ozzy · 10-24-2011, 03:42 PM

While there's an exception to the rule every now and then.... Japanese players can't compete with MLB players anymore than some of the softball chicks can. No one is worth that kind of gamble. Only the best of the best Japanese cross the pacific for a try at the big leagues and of the best of the best... only 10% are successful.

DoctorBeaver · 10-24-2011, 04:52 PM

Darvish is actually only half Japanese. His father is Iranian and his mother is Japanese. He has a little better size and arm than most Japanese prospects, but then again so did the late Hideki Irabu. Basically all of these guys are risks and only proven big league talent warrants discussion of the kind of money we are talking about.

LISteve · 10-25-2011, 02:23 AM

The pitchers in Japan pitch the same day every week. So This guy may only pitch on Mondays. They also use a smaller ball and make something like 25 starts a year. They are not trained to pitch American baseball which is much more taxing on the arm.

I will say the Matsui was a good player. He was also clutch. He and Damon were huge in 2009. They did not have big years during the regular season but they always hit when in counted most. THAT is what the Yankees are missing. YES ... pitching is the most important but you can't win with your 3-4-5 hitters doing nothing.

pudgy.in.the.middle · 10-25-2011, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

The pitchers in Japan pitch the same day every week. So This guy may only pitch on Mondays. They also use a smaller ball and make something like 25 starts a year. They are not trained to pitch American baseball which is much more taxing on the arm.

I will say the Matsui was a good player. He was also clutch. He and Damon were huge in 2009. They did not have big years during the regular season but they always hit when in counted most. THAT is what the Yankees are missing. YES ... pitching is the most important but you can't win with your 3-4-5 hitters doing nothing.

Hitters and pitchers are different in MLB adjustment. Look at Ichiro Suzuki as well. Pitching is so different in the majors even when American pitchers switch from NL to the AL and vise versa. I know this is anecdotal but I find good NL pitchers to be suspect when they work in the AL and the average AL starter to look deceivingly good when they work in the NL. Did anyone look at the overall NL and AL hiting and pitching stats before the DH era?

LISteve · 10-25-2011, 05:06 AM

I prefer the way starters worked prior to say 1975. They had 4 man rotations and less specialized bullpens. It was not uncommon to get 41 starts and have 20 complete games. 300 innings pitched a year was not unusual.

DoctorBeaver · 10-25-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

I prefer the way starters worked prior to say 1975. They had 4 man rotations and less specialized bullpens. It was not uncommon to get 41 starts and have 20 complete games. 300 innings pitched a year was not unusual.

I agree. Look at how the Yankees babied Joba Chamberlain with the so called "Joba Rules", limiting his innings, then he ends up getting Tommy John surgery anyways. You might as well try and get as much as you can out of a pitcher and if an injury happens, it happens.

Guys like Ferguson Jenkins, Nolan Ryan, Bert Blyleven, were pitched like mules in the 1970s. Those guys did not break down. There seems to be a school of thought that young pitchers should gradually have their workloads increased until they are about age 26. You can end up babying pitchers and they end up getting hurt anyway like Joba, Strasburg and others. I think pitchers should be treated like men, and if they are treated like men as opposed to babies, they will behave and perform like men.

teps · 10-25-2011, 10:09 AM

Since the Rangers are still paying part of A-Rod's salary, if they win the World Series will A-Rod get a share and a ring?

lightweight · 10-25-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by teps

Since the Rangers are still paying part of A-Rod's salary, if they win the World Series will A-Rod get a share and a ring?

He can really use it...

LISteve · 12-31-2011, 01:12 PM

45 more days till pitchers and catchers!

out of control · 01-01-2012, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by teps

Since the Rangers are still paying part of A-Rod's salary, if they win the World Series will A-Rod get a share and a ring?

When A-Rod opted out of his contract he took the rangers off the hook.

LISteve · 01-01-2012, 05:31 AM

They should have let him go. The Rangers were paying 10 mil per year out of the 25 mil he was getting. So the Yankees went from having only like 4 years left at 15 mill a year to 10 years at like 27 mil per year. Overall he has been a poor investment.

DoctorBeaver · 01-01-2012, 05:45 AM

There is no question that the contract the Yankees gave A-Rod was a bad one. If he is healthy after the blood plasma therapy hopefully the Yankees get a few more good years out of him. The Yankees did pick up a veteran Japanese infielder fairly cheap to assist Nunez in backing up A-Rod and Jeter as both will need many off days next year.

nychelsea · 01-01-2012, 08:53 PM

Yanks are stuck w/ A-Rod. While he isn't worth the money, he is a feared hitter.

lightweight · 01-02-2012, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychelsea

Yanks are stuck w/ A-Rod. While he isn't worth the money, he is a feared hitter.

Feared hitter is one thing, but you still have to hit...

LISteve · 01-02-2012, 11:26 AM

He's hitting on a lot of broads that's for sure.

lightweight · 01-04-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LISteve

He's hitting on a lot of broads that's for sure.

He used to...... The steroids shrunk his dick... Plus, I think Jeter has gotten many more woman than Arod.... Jeter just kept it and keeps it low..... I know for a fact some fun stuff about Jeter......

IgetAround · 01-04-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lightweight

..... I know for a fact some fun stuff about Jeter......

LW, Are you saying that you received one of those "Jeter Gift Bags"?

LISteve · 01-04-2012, 03:28 PM

SUPPOSEDLY ... he bought a male friend of mine a drink at a bar in Manhattan. ... My friend does not go that way ... make what you will of that story but I am not making it up and I am not going into any more detail. Is this the direction your story is going LW?

DoctorBeaver · 01-04-2012, 03:33 PM

Both Jeter and A-Rod have gotten their share of fine women but Jeter has been much more low key and low profile. Jeter likes brunettes and A-Rod like muscular blondes. I know someone who was invited to the MLBPA party at the All Star game a few years back when it was in Pittsburgh - always the most anticipated event of All Star game festivities - and he told me Jeter, A-Rod and Cano were surrounded by a gaggle of models and starlets, each of whom was drop dead gorgeous. He said they had the biggest female entourage of anyone at that party. I also heard that Jose Reyes takes care of his friends which I give him credit for.

Jeter has been very smart to stay single into his late 30s unlike other pro athletes who have gotten raked in divorce by their ex wives, like Michael Jordan was and Kobe is about to. Jeter is now back with Minka Kelly and he will probably get married to her after he retires when there is no longer any road girlfriends to be had.

10-07-2011, 03:33 AM	#1
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	2012 Yankees Swisher's contract has a buy out for 2012. Pay it and get rid of him. He can't hit in the clutch. See if anyone wants Tex. He is PATHETIC in any clutch situation. I have seen enough. See if they can land any ace. They need 2 aces. Get rid of AJ. They can't waste a rotation spot on him. Write the contract off as a loss. At least they will be better than the Mets ... that is always a good feeling. Last edited by LISteve; 10-07-2011 at 03:34 AM..

10-24-2011, 05:46 AM	#9
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	Yu Darvish OK .... here comes the newest Japanese Cy Young. Just like all the others this guy is a can't miss. If he asks his team to allow him to become an American free agent then any team that wants to try to sign him will have to bid for the right to talk to him. The Red Sox bid over $50 mill for Dice K. He had maybe one good year. These Japanese pitchers just don't last. The Yankees need another top arm but I really can't see paying a large posting fee for this guy. Maybe they can put in a "low" bid of $20 to $25 mil.

10-24-2011, 03:42 PM	#12
Ozzy Gold Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 15,432 vCash: 500	While there's an exception to the rule every now and then.... Japanese players can't compete with MLB players anymore than some of the softball chicks can. No one is worth that kind of gamble. Only the best of the best Japanese cross the pacific for a try at the big leagues and of the best of the best... only 10% are successful. Last edited by Ozzy; 10-24-2011 at 03:55 PM..

01-04-2012, 03:33 PM	#30
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	Jeter and A-Rod Both Jeter and A-Rod have gotten their share of fine women but Jeter has been much more low key and low profile. Jeter likes brunettes and A-Rod like muscular blondes. I know someone who was invited to the MLBPA party at the All Star game a few years back when it was in Pittsburgh - always the most anticipated event of All Star game festivities - and he told me Jeter, A-Rod and Cano were surrounded by a gaggle of models and starlets, each of whom was drop dead gorgeous. He said they had the biggest female entourage of anyone at that party. I also heard that Jose Reyes takes care of his friends which I give him credit for. Jeter has been very smart to stay single into his late 30s unlike other pro athletes who have gotten raked in divorce by their ex wives, like Michael Jordan was and Kobe is about to. Jeter is now back with Minka Kelly and he will probably get married to her after he retires when there is no longer any road girlfriends to be had. Last edited by DoctorBeaver; 01-04-2012 at 03:34 PM..

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10-07-2011, 08:23 AM	#3
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	LW ... I will still take it .... you are looking at 25 years without a title and your boys have a nice payroll too!

10-07-2011, 08:28 AM	#5
lightweight Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 7,791 vCash: 500	Oh, and I am glad that you are still with us.. I know some guys thought that you did jump off of that ledge... I did not really want you to get hurt.... Well, OK, maybe just like a broken ankle or something....lol

10-07-2011, 08:34 AM	#6
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	I was very frustrated last night. However .... we will win another ring within the next 3 years. That's what is so great about the Yankees. The next championship is just around the corner! I will be jumping next year .... jumping for joy!!!!

10-14-2011, 01:30 AM	#8
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	Rotation: 1. CC Sabathia - he will be here and we need him 2. Ivan Nova - 15 - 20 wins. He's very good 3. Hughes - Hopefully he reverts back to 2010 4. Trade AJ with cash for somebody else's headache: Derek Lowe or Zambrano? 5. Rookie Competition: Banuelos/Betances/Noesi Here's the deal ... they will make the postseason. They need to solidify their rotation. Can we succeed with AJ in the rotation. Nobody will take him with his contract but if another team has an expensive headache maybe a trade can be had. Zambrano makes simililar money and AJ would be more effective in the weak NL Central. We would have to send cash with the deal as Burnett has 2 years left and Zambrano has one year left. There are other similar situations like Derek Lowe or Barry Zito. Is a free agent the amswer? The only decent pitcher is CJ Wilson. He just lost his postseason start and is a decent #3 starter. If he can be had for 2-3 years at $10 mill a year then fine. However ... someone is going to give him 4-5 years at much more money. I would honestly rather give the spot to one of our talented rookies. I have also backed off on getting rid of Tex. Why? Because he is a solid regular season performer, good character guy and his contract is impossible to move. I think they should see if there is anything out there better than Swisher for right field. If so ... don't pick up his option and let him go. Yankees need more clutch players: Mattingly Munson Piniella Brosius ONeil Bernie LUIS SOJO!!! There were players you knew would come through ... and the guys we now have ...A-Rod/Tex/Swish ... you know they are going to choke. You simply can't have that as your 4/5/6 in the order. It may be easier if we had more dominant pitching.

10-24-2011, 02:50 PM	#11
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	LW ... I know .. ridiculous. Somebody is going to dump a boatload of money on this guy. One thing I will say is ... He will bring a ton of fans with him. He may actually be worth it. He is supposedly more popular than Dice K, Matsui and Ichiro put together. I am really curious to see how this whole thing turns out.

10-24-2011, 04:52 PM	#13
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	Darvish is actually only half Japanese. His father is Iranian and his mother is Japanese. He has a little better size and arm than most Japanese prospects, but then again so did the late Hideki Irabu. Basically all of these guys are risks and only proven big league talent warrants discussion of the kind of money we are talking about.

10-25-2011, 02:23 AM	#14
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	The pitchers in Japan pitch the same day every week. So This guy may only pitch on Mondays. They also use a smaller ball and make something like 25 starts a year. They are not trained to pitch American baseball which is much more taxing on the arm. I will say the Matsui was a good player. He was also clutch. He and Damon were huge in 2009. They did not have big years during the regular season but they always hit when in counted most. THAT is what the Yankees are missing. YES ... pitching is the most important but you can't win with your 3-4-5 hitters doing nothing.

10-25-2011, 05:06 AM	#16
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	I prefer the way starters worked prior to say 1975. They had 4 man rotations and less specialized bullpens. It was not uncommon to get 41 starts and have 20 complete games. 300 innings pitched a year was not unusual.

10-25-2011, 10:09 AM	#18
teps Gold Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,993 vCash: 500	Since the Rangers are still paying part of A-Rod's salary, if they win the World Series will A-Rod get a share and a ring?

12-31-2011, 01:12 PM	#20
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	45 more days till pitchers and catchers!

01-01-2012, 05:31 AM	#22
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	They should have let him go. The Rangers were paying 10 mil per year out of the 25 mil he was getting. So the Yankees went from having only like 4 years left at 15 mill a year to 10 years at like 27 mil per year. Overall he has been a poor investment.

01-01-2012, 05:45 AM	#23
DoctorBeaver Gold Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,118 vCash: 500	There is no question that the contract the Yankees gave A-Rod was a bad one. If he is healthy after the blood plasma therapy hopefully the Yankees get a few more good years out of him. The Yankees did pick up a veteran Japanese infielder fairly cheap to assist Nunez in backing up A-Rod and Jeter as both will need many off days next year.

01-01-2012, 08:53 PM	#24
nychelsea Gold Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,709 vCash: 500	Yanks are stuck w/ A-Rod. While he isn't worth the money, he is a feared hitter.

01-02-2012, 11:26 AM	#26
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	He's hitting on a lot of broads that's for sure.

01-04-2012, 03:28 PM	#29
LISteve Gold Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,749 vCash: 500	SUPPOSEDLY ... he bought a male friend of mine a drink at a bar in Manhattan. ... My friend does not go that way ... make what you will of that story but I am not making it up and I am not going into any more detail. Is this the direction your story is going LW?