Handi, I think we are talking about different Karens. The one I wanted used to be a telephone girl at a place on 45th ave a few years ago (I forgot the location, but it was a basement place where you entered through the back door, and there was pretty high mileage available there). That was around 2001. A few months later, she opened (with her friends) her own place in College Point (around 11th avenue). She had some high mileage girls there, too. I remember giving one of her girls a hr with baby oil. She was such a hot looking girl. I'm getting excited just thinking about it. Anyway, after a few months, she disappeared again. Then she resurfaced again in Flushing but I didn't get a chance to go to the new place. I stopped looking for her and I was hoping this was her again. I wouldn't doubt that she started providing massage. She was a kind of young looking girl (looks around 20 the most), wears nerdy glasses, and spoke english very cute like a little girl, but when she spoke chinese, it was so strong that she almost barked.