A Chinese and American are drunk in a bar.........

Discussion in 'New York' started by One Eyed Trouser Trout, Nov 7, 2001.

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  1. wsb

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    Exactly, I agree. My point in writing "recession-proof in theory" was simply to convey the idea that people **assume** that sex is recession-proof, but they forget that the *sex business* is not.

    --WSB
  2. justlooking

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    OH has perhaps not reread Hesiod recently.
  3. JC: I agree that a Ponderosa-style pricing plan for whores is long overdue.

    SB: Only if you cut the belly open first.
  4. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

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    "Watch out for the birds. They go for the eyes."

    I thought it was the liver.

    wsb,
    the sex business being "recession proof" is a bit misleading. While the business as a whole still has demand in recession, the outlet thru which that demand is "expressed" has always changed in bad times. My "yardstick" this time around was that I noticed a few months ago that guys who used to make fun of guys who went to the "Spanish Quickie Places" were now posting "Does anyone know where.....". The moderately upper-mid-level ( $500 - $600/hr ) incall places started to really get hammered starting 6 to 9 months ago. I'm curious to get a straight answer as to how the $1000 to $2000 outcalls are doing, but I don't have a source that I trust to get the info from.

    JC,
    For a fairly long time, Acquiesce was exaclty that ( and some copy cats - there was a great one about once a month at this private house in Maspeth, Queens in the mid-80's ), but I think the model it a bit different now.
  5. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold

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    Need something like the $1.49 all you can eat fish fry at Howard Johnson's that my friends and I used to go to on Friday nights when we were 12-14. Sampler platters. One fixed price. All you can eat in two hours or so. With as many women as you can handle. Complimentary viagra at the door to get you into that blue haze that I've heard tell about when an overdose is taken.
  6. wsb

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    I think the economic issue for providers is that there are a lot less clients coming in the door in the first place, coupled with regulars partaking less frequently, tipping less and probably even a lot of down-grading in terms of price level (i.e., john goes to $250 brothel instead of $350 indie). The sex business may be recession-proof in theory, but everyone from the $20 quickie girls to the $1,000 indie will, without question, be impacted by a prolonged economic downturn.

    --WSB
  7. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Stop Smoking Cigarettes and Drinking Coffee...

    ...at the same time? :eek:
    HP
  8. Watch out for the birds. They go for the eyes.
  9. One Eyed Trouser Trout

    One Eyed Trouser Trout #1 Cowboys Fan

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    I'm learning so much by reading this thread......

    is anybody in a position to award me an MBA by proxy?

    No, I don't mean MasterBaiters Anonymous.
  10. Geezy Muldoon

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    SB:

    (1) Interesting.

    (2) Good advice for all of who smoke and drink coffee to fuel busy lives. Difficult to do though. Sometimes think I'll have to end up chained to a rock in Central Park for a week raving like a lunatic before I stop smoking and drinking coffee.
  11. Interesting discussion of downward stickiness and price elasticity.

    The Fed has other tools at its disposal beyond monetary policy, which has had terribly limited effect on the bond (and therefore mortgage) market. You've hit the nail on the head--it has a lot to do with taxes and tax relief. In Japan, they've had several years with the Central Bank "fed" rate at 0.5 percent, but the VAT they implemented several years ago of 17.5 percent has kept the savings rate high. And the recession there has lasted 11 years.

    We're actually pretty buggered with the current economy. Consumer confidence is about the only thing that's kept things propped up--ironically it was business spending, usually a lagging indicator--that drove this slowdown. Eventually, people will catch on and stop spending. Unless, of course, business begins to behave differently.

    Am convinced the whole thing is really an unpredictable, dynamic system in which public policy's role is minor compared with the average person's "sense" of how things are going. If we think the future is bright, we spend our way out of a recession. If we are skeptical, we don't.

    The implications of this for the hobby are interesting, I suppose. Am not a big believer, for all the above reasons, in the simple theory of supply and demand. Providers base their pricing models on many different factors -- competitors prices, value added rates, etc. Terribly hard to differentiate in an underground economy. I think the bottom line is, prices won't drop until the ladies decide the clients will sincerely walk at current price points. (Which I'm not going to do, to be honest.)

    At any rate, am perfectly willing to serve on the Judge's board. Imagine the potential perks!
  12. wsb

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    Providers/brothels that took advantage of the hot, dot-com fueled economy, by increasing prices too far too quickly will need to adjust their prices in order to survive. Modestly priced providers/brothels that kept prices flat or increased them modestly during that period will probably maintain the same pricing and simply live with less business. I doubt you will see many big price decreases among this group. Hardest hit will likely be those charging $400 or $500 and up.

    As an aside, I briefly scanned a story in last week's "NY Times" that mentioned that the shoe shine guys on Broadway near Wall Street had returned (and this was perceived to be a sign of a return to normal life downtown - uh huh), but were now charging $4 for a shine to make-up for lost business. Needless to say, I haven't noticed many people getting shoe shines, probably due to the fact that their competitors operate indoors, provide comparable or better service, and have actually decreased their prices. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here for the escort industry??? Maybe I should try to get on NPR???

    --WSB
  13. Slinky Bender

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    1) Prices are "downward sticky". That said, in talking to vairous "industry sources" my conclusion is that while demand used to be fairly price inelastic, it has recently become singnificantly elastic.

    2) Try cutting down on caffiene and cigarettes when you're not going to sleep well, since each of those can act as triggers.
  14. Geezy Muldoon

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    HP:

    Thanks. Will look for that product. Brought on by stress and too many nights in a row with 4 hours sleep due to being overworked and sick children. Pretty much cleared up now, but since I am swimming in a communal pool I don't think its fair to have a session until a suitable time passes. I usually wait from 10-14 days after all signs go away. Genital herpes is very painful for women and has other complications for them as well in childbirth, etc. Wouldn't be fair to go about infecting them.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 11-07-2001 at 06:00 PM]
  15. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Two week old cold sores?

    JC,
    You may want to have those checked out and/or try something other than whatever you are using on them. I have had good luck with Docosanol 10%( brand name Abreva). Not as good once you have them, but if used when you notice the first twinge- it will reduce the length and severity of the sore and even prevent them from reaching the blister stage.
    take care
    HP
    BTW Zicam if used early enough has the same effect for a "common cold" ;)
  16. Geezy Muldoon

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    Never. Would have to be a general strike coordinated by members of all hobby boards that focused on all known independents and brothels. Then a Johns Price Administration Board to re-set their prices to bring them more into line with the economy, true costs, and values actually offered. Could be a fun exercise to sit on that Board. An opportunity for real justice. Imagine the opportunities for in-kind bribes.

    Could hardly ask johns to rely on their memories and "whack off for the team" to bring about a decline in prices; rabble that we are. Perhaps we might see some more sporadic efforts like the Brazilian women's "Girl of the Month" specials or more offers of additional half hours or hours at discounted rates. (The later marketing strategy probably makes the most sense and would be the most profitable to exact income from down time.)

    Another problem with cutting rates is that the most valued independents may not want to create an impression that they are not desirable which cutting rates may be perceived as telegraphing.

    General strike? Would neatly coincide with my cold sores which have kept me side-lined for the past two weeks.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 11-07-2001 at 05:52 PM]
  17. justme

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    But the real question remains: When will the sex work industry admit that it's getting killed in the market and reprice service to more market acceptable levels?
  18. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    At lunch, it occured to me that I might have written prime rate as opposed to funds rate. Then I remembered that we couldn't edit our posts beyond a half hour (or something). Then I realized that anyone interested in the question would realize what I meant.

    Anyway, the point remains that there isn't a whole lot of room left for the funds rate to go down. Once monetary policy is no longer effective (as WSB mentioned, Japan has experienced this. What he didn't note is just how long it's been at zero and what the effect has been on lending) what can the government do? Traditional economics says the only thing left is fiscal policy, but will we see that manifested in terms of lower taxes or higher spending (or should we repeat the 80's and do both)?

    Scary times.

    One issue that I don't think the fed has effectively explained is the motivation for a bank to do a bunch of loans (the normal argument for lowering the fed rate seems to be stimulating the economy through investment which normally needs to be financed) in these uncertain times when their returns are going to be at 40 year lows and their cost of capital is largely still from 1999. Poor banks. Heh-heh.

    Let's all join hands and prey that you New Yorkers (and Californians, too) don't realize how much you've been paying for real estate the last few years.
  19. Phantom

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    And I've been accussed of taking a thread off topic?

    Jeez, it started with a joke about two guys drinking in a bar and within a couple of posts the thread is about a bailout of the airline industry.

    [Edited by Phantom on 11-07-2001 at 03:51 PM]
  20. One Eyed Trouser Trout

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    Nope...just an old joke to open up a discussion on the Mayoral election in NYC...

    Sorry if it offended you