A little respect

Discussion in 'New York' started by Ezrlove, Feb 22, 2001.

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  1. Geezy Muldoon

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    "J'aime ces types vicieux qu'ici montrent la bite."
    (I like the vicicious types who show the prick here.)

    Last words of Mary Magdalen on Easter Morning skywritten over New York London Paris Berlin Budapest Moscow Bombay Peking Tokyo Sydney Pretoria Mexico City skies.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 03-12-2001 at 10:07 AM]
  2. Geezy Muldoon

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    Further to my 2-26-01 post at 3:36 PM, coolest thing to do is to wear dark sunglasses, focus on what sex really is, pay the prostitute and watch her turn into a giant blue centipede when you don't let her have a taste. Moment of creation completely inside at that point as you achieve the rare state of being inscrutable. Last words before fading into alternate dimension, Manhattan streetcorner from which I disappeared August 6, 1930.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 03-09-2001 at 05:19 PM]
  3. SkellyChamp

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    Political correctness is quite frankly a bunch of crap.

    Its not the words that are the problem it's the way we use them and the tone in which we use them.

    And before African American was the politically correct term it was black and before that it was Negro. They are merely descriptive. Words like Nigger and Spade were used as weapons to hurt or characterize in an inappropriate manner. And even then not always. I had many (actually most) "African American" friends who I could call nigger and worse, but they were my friends. Much as they could call me the Guinea or the Jew or the white honky Eye-talian Jew. But we were using it in friendly playful ways.

    When I go see a provider/prostitute/call girl, I call her none of those things. She tells me her name that's what I call her. I don't say "Hello Ms. Prostitute." But when I am discussing or writing about what as him who I will not name calls "this thing of ours" (spitting out the bad taste in my mouth) I have no qualm about calling it prostitution. That is what it is. I don't use whore or slut because that is not what I am talking about. To me that does not necessarily have anything to do with this "thing." Being a whore or a slut has nothing to do with prostitution. But one who practices the profession of prostitution, which is the selling of sex for money, is a prostitute. ANd she may be a whore or a slut, but so can the girl sitting next to me on the train ride home who left her job as a lawyer, secretary or whatever. Actually, she is more likely in my opinion to be one than is a prostitute.

    And as I said earlier, for those who have problem with the word prostitute you better call PONY and tell them to change the name of their organization. And the San Fransisco Task Force on Prostitution.

    THis bullshit on political correctness not only has everyone walking around on eggshells about the words we use it also sets up that segment of the population who espouse it as some type of English language censors. And these are the same people who rail about censorship and the sanctity of the freedom of the press.

    We'd be better served learning to treat people AS people rather than get hung up over every word. If we could learn to do that............
  4. frog

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    fucking ambulance chasers!
  5. HornDogBuddah

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    Frog, re: your previous post about using lawyer in a pejorative way: "What did you expect from a goddamn lawyer?"

    [Edited by HornDogBuddah on 02-27-2001 at 08:08 AM]
  6. frog

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    We are, in a sense, on the inside. We, the users of ASPs.
  7. justme

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    frog - the question mark was because I felt it strange dittoing a much better phrasing of something I already said.

    I think nigger would be more analogous to whore, while the difference between prostitute and providor is more akin to that of black and African American (which in most conversation I use interchangeably, but in some conexts I show a preference for the latter)
  8. Ozzy

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    EZ is on the right track, and recently i discussed this same issue, but the better word for comparison would be.........."negro"

    nigger is a little worse than whore or prostitute.
  9. SkellyChamp

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    Some would say more negative than prostitute
  10. Ezrlove

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    It's a word found in the dictionary describing an occupation.


    I do appreciate all of the responses to this post. This will be my final statement in regards to this post.

    I have read many of provider web sights and many posts made by provider on this board and others and I have never once read a provider call themself a prostitute,hooker,or whore.

    There are politically correct ways of saying things:

    African American instead of black
    Asian instead of Oriental
    Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas

    They are called politically correct terms because one may get offended if you use the incorrect term. Until you walk in the shoes of these provides, please do not justify what you can call them.

    When I read a post from a provider calling herself a whore,prostitute or hooker than I will refer to her in that matter. I do believe that one of the reasons why Val left this board is because she did not like those particular terms and she stated it. Most of the MEN on this board are quick to decide what is the proper term for a provider. Well what about provider or escort. That is what the ladies use on their own web sights.

    Here is another term for you guys.

    Nigger

    1. It is in the dictionary
    2. My race uses it all the time without being insulted
    3. If any other race uses it, they are looked down upon

    I can call another African American a nigger, let me see you justify it.

    My final $.02
  11. jester

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    I've been trying to recall a situation where the word "prostitute" was used as an insult. In the movies and tv shows that I've seen, if one person wants to insult a woman, the term used is "whore", or in old movies, "harlot". Speaking of someone in the third person, "hooker" is also commonly used. I don't think I can recall anyone in any show saying "You prostitute!".

    It's a word found in the dictionary describing an occupation.

    However, if a lady objects to being called something, why call her that? Unless you're deliberately trying to annoy her, or start a fight.

    I have nothing but respect for the ladies, and if it will make them happy for me to refer to them as a provider or escort, then that's how I will refer to them.


    Just my nickel. (inflation, you know)


    Jester
  12. Geezy Muldoon

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    SK:

    Agreed. A provider is just a prostitute whose feelings might be hurt if the more accurate term is used, whereas a whore is a prostitute whose been rather more unpleasant than is normally customary. Slut, on the other hand, is the kind of girl who gives it away for free underneath the football bleachers on fall nights. Wife is what gets you through the night.
  13. frog

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    There are some negative connotations associated being a lawyer. For some people, not quite as negative as being a prostitute, but negative nevertheless. Do we use the word "lawyer" as an insult?
  14. frog

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    jm -- why the question mark?
  15. justme

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    Ditto SkellyChamp?
  16. SkellyChamp

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    And I think some people here are getting too hung up on the word prostitute.

    The "world's oldest profession" is prostitution. People who practice it are prostitutes. This is what it is. I am a user of prostitutes. If you don't like the use of the word I suggest you direct your energies to PONY (Prostitutes of New York), the Prostitutes' Education Network and the San Francisco Task Force on Prostitution (which includes representatives from prostitute organizations) just to name a few. For that matter check out the organization known as HIRE - Hooking is Real Employment and complain to them about the word hookers.

    Now if you feel more comfortable using "provider" , "escort", "sex worker" God Bless you, but don't start trying to make an issue over the word prostitute or prostitution. Can people use it as an insult or derogatory word - sure, but my experience is that is in the manner and tone in which they use it much like someone might say "He's and Italian" or "He's a Jew" (both of which I am) as an insult because they say it in a nasty and derogatory fashion. By themselves they are just statments of fact. But there is nothing wrong with prostitute. It is not disrespectful. God save us from the "politically correct."

    And in my lexicon "whore" and "slut" have nothing to do with prostitution and are almost exclusively used and meant to be used in a derogatory and disrespectful manner.

    But, of course, this is just the opinion of one person who reads and posts on Board concerning prostitution and who uses, proudly so, prostitutes.
  17. SkellyChamp

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    Judge

    While I usually agree with you on most things, here and elsewhere we post under different guise, I think you are off base here.

    The legalization of prostitution (does this make me politically incorrect) and the legalization of narcotics are not comparable at all. Your experiences with H, I think, (I would venture to say I know because I beleive my experiences here at least rival yours) make you the exception rather than the rule. For you it might have been the path to insitutions, jail and death but for many many it is. I beleive that most who go down that path don't have their shit together as you did. And who's to say what problems WBR had or didn't have. It's nmot necessarily a case of long-term use as much as it is, use to misuse to abuse.

    But these are I think discussions for other boards.
  18. Geezy Muldoon

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    EL:

    I was, of course, being facetious.


    justme:

    Think complete legalization of all narcotics (like prostitution) would eliminate the ill effects you have witnessed. During my trips into New York City to score, I always found time to do interesting things (e.g. go to clubs, concerts, museums, art galleries, etc.). Drugs were just part of the bohemian lifestyle I was trying to live to leave 6 years of being an altar boy behind me. Was no more obsessed about heroin than I was with wanting to be just like Keith Richards and my black leather jacket. Part of the package deal. Ate a 100 hits of acid once for the same purpose. To see if I could go further and to ascertain the limits of experience. Not one flashback ever. Never felt the urge to jump along with Art Linkletter's daughter. And my kids are normal. And I did go further.
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    Wasn't talking about the medical effects. Heroin has this nasty tendency of making its users extremely obsessive about heroin. What pains me is when I see vibrant, exciting, interesting people become empty shells rubbing themselves on the carpet.

    For the record, I've also noted some of the similarities between drugs and prostitution.