A New Jersey board

Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by Phantom, Jun 25, 2001.

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  1. Monk

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    How about a "Lower Manhattan" Board?

    South of 23rd Street. But not below Canal -- that would be the "Wall Street Board".

    (Just kidding.)
  2. paladin

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    My vote For a NJ Board



    I agree - the important thing is how many people post; not to which board they do it. I think that probably the total number of posts will increase even if some NJ folks post only on the NJ board.

    Also, IMHO, a major benefit of UG is the sense of community that it seems to be building. Community can be based on both interests and region. But, it can be hard to have regional community with folks on LI when you live near Philly; and vice-versa. Participation at a get-together is really difficult when it can take 3-4 hours just to drive there.

    In the interest of supporting a better identified NJ region and community, I think a NJ board makes sense. That doesn't mean that Philly or NY folks can't be part of it. It just makes sense that NJ folks might want to have something of their own to which to belong.

    I further agree with Ew and Phantom that California boards, etc don't make much sense (maybe in the future, but certainly not now). I think that by dropping these national-level boards and adding one for NJ would make UG really "lean and mean".
  3. ew

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    Well, we both agree that it is the posters who make the boards or not. The moderators/people who run the board are also a large factor because the boards wouldn't be here if the environment wasn't right for posters. But there are always calls for more, bigger and better. What's wrong with keeping it as it is and concentrate on generating a self-sustaining enterprise. Which no doubt they are concentrating on. I think that it will place a strain on the posters. We all have a finite time we can expend online, some have more some less. It is logical to assume that if you are also invovled in the discussions on the NY and general board, yet have the NJ board to keep alive you will have to post less somewhere. Unless you want to devote an extra XX time everyday to posting.

    Build it and they will come. There are many instances where this is patently untrue.

    But why are they "here" instead of "there" (jag that is)? Cost and the loss of exclusivity.

    As for the future, I would be glad to pay a membership fee to this site. *GASP!* If plans for the future to make this site more viable including making it higher profile quickly to gain more ad revenues then the free-form exchange of information will naturally go down. As it is this site has enough of the wink-wink stuff going on. The site mods have warned against it, I generally know who/what people are speaking about, but that's going to be the form of exchange in the future if the board goes to a higher profile free site. The easier access and the higher profile of JAG is what prompted many members to leave (besides the fact that people have an innate desire not to pay nothing for anything online) because they felt less comfortable about the free exchange of information.

    Let me venture a bold guess here on why things and ladies in NJ are low profile in NJ. Because they have to be. It is hard for NJ providers to sink into the sheer volume of other providers and agencies in NY and Philly. With such a large number of other people to bust there's comfort in knowing that you are insignificant. I'll bet you that a lot of additional attention would be detrimental to their general lives. The ladies in NJ aren't stupid they know where to go to make themselves a higher profile provider. Basically, I'm saying they like it that way. I bet you that's the same reason why there are no known indies in Staten Island. Christ, then you might have posters like tommyf117 basically demanding that someone kick off her low-profile and service him!

    I am not interested much in the MP scene. Should there also be NJ spa board in addition to NJ board? If there are any chages to the board, they should:

    Kill other boards except for General, I need something today, Cheap thrills and the NY board and Spa pages,
    then, rename the NY boards to NY/NJ.

    This would make it a stronger board by far.

    Well the ultimate decision on spin-off or not belongs to the people who run the board. UG is strong (currently) but I wouldn't want to see the NJ board be the equivalent of a "Joanie loves Chaci" spinoff from Happy Days. The UG powers that be have been over these problems in the past in other places and I think they know that people always want more for less. Well we are paying nothing so...
  4. Phantom

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    NO that was not it. I've been called worse. 20 years ago I worked for several years in a county jail as a correction officer. Fag? that's nothing.

    [Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 09:51 PM]
  5. Ozzy

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    i think he thought you were calling him a fag.......
  6. Allen

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    I don't understand what you're upset about. Shoot me an email at webmaster@utopiaguide.com please. Thanks.
  7. Phantom

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    :D

    [Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 10:05 PM]
  8. Allen

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    ummm..........Phantom, if you're referring to my post, it had nothing to do with you. just a minor screw up.
  9. Phantom

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    :D

    [Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 10:04 PM]
  10. Allen

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    fg

    [Edited by Allen on 06-30-2001 at 09:24 PM]
  11. Phantom

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    I was seriously considering filling a missing person report on you. Really thought you were MIA.
  12. Ozzy

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    thats why we need a board there....

    "build it and they will come"
  13. Phantom

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    EW at least we agree on one thing, that being that California and Texas are non-factors as far as Utopia Guide is concerned. Utopia Guide started as just a NYC metro area board back in December of 2000. Both the California and Texas boards were added in March of 2001.

    FWIW and IMHO, Utopia Guide has surpassed both tbd and JAG for NJ/NYC/CT/LI info. I say this not only because UG is at this time free, but because of the qualities of the posters there, but also because of it's high percentage of being online and therefore being accessible when needed. I was a member of JAG during it's best days and I see the same sort of high level discussion that was on JAG at that time now taking place on UG. UG is great because of the qualities of it's posters, both guys and dolls, and the moderator, Slinkybender, who I'm sure must lose sleep at nights over some posts, but allows a very censorship free board and who does a great job.

    It's true that NJ is dominated by Philly in the south and NYC in the north and this is the reason I believe that a separate NJ is necessary. Posts about NJ providers get lost in the sheer number of posts to the NYC board. There comes a time when something grows large enough and successful enough that it can survive spin offs. What's wrong with Utopia Guide striving to become the premier source for info for the NJ/NYC/LI/CT area? There are many corporate parks in NJ with hotels nearby that provide rooms for what I'm sure are many loney businessmen.

    Was the NYC board weaken when the spa board was spun off? No, not at all. The spa board provides a venue for those interested in the MP scene to search for info without searching through the NYC board for the info they wish. Are they under any additional strain by posting MP info on the spa board? Somehow I doubt it. You say that if there is a separate NJ board the NYC board will lose valuable posters and traffic, but if you notice, quite a few of the posters on the spa board also post on the NYC board and elsewhere on UG. You act as if a separate NJ board comes into existence the posters who post there will not post in the other sections of UG. I'm sure they will continue to post in other sections of UG.

    As for your claim that it's a bad time for UG to expand because of the additional strain on resources, well, lets just see what the future brings.

    And Ozzy if you can give me the name and contact info for one indie on Staten Island, I'll support your request for a separate SI board if you think it's time for that.

    [Edited by Phantom on 06-30-2001 at 08:08 PM]
  14. Casper

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    ,

    [Edited by Casper on 06-30-2001 at 10:01 AM]
  15. ew

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    California and Texas are of no concern to me. They are also non-factors as far as UG is concerned. I assume that when this board started the ideal scenario would have been for this board to have been nationwide in reach.

    This obviously didn't happen. My guesses why:

    there are established regional boards already in some of those areas,
    TBD is the "national" board (like it or not),
    a board,
    as Phantom has pointed out a board lives and dies with their major posters.

    As for the last point, I doubt that many of the Nj posters limit themselves to NJ geographically. My point is that NJ is naturally dominated by NY and Philly, either of which has far more activity. You could start a NJ board but that is like mining a lode that has a lower yield of ore than the mother lode right next to it.

    An extra board places additional strain on posters, not readers. We might read it all but we may not post. So, it is a certainty that the NY board will lose valuable posters and traffic, weakening it for a board that will never really be a major factor. I think JAG gives enough coverage, maybe not as nice a playground, but it isn't free and/or reliable. With the additional drain on resources mentioned lately in the threads by the people who run UG it seems a bad time to expand.

    It's easy to ask to expand but I think it will weaken UG, and since SB and others are footing the bill and probably overloaded right now...
  16. HornDogBuddah

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    Phantom, you go, guy!
  17. Phantom

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    Lets take a look at some of the arguements against a seperate NJ board.

    EW claims that there's not even critical mass for a NJ board. Yet there is more then a dozen posters who posted in this thread requesting a seperate NJ board. Allot of these posters are not just lurkers either.

    Where's the critical mass for the Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas boards?

    Consider these facts;

    Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 27 of them are outright ads posted by providers who except for their ads do not have not contributed to any discussion. Posts that if were placed on the NYC board would have been deleted.

    Of the 82 threads on the regional boards, Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas, 47 got zero responses. Another 18 only got 1 response each. Of these 65 threads which had 1 or less responses, they had 2,534 reads. GD there's allot lurkers on these boards.

    EW also states that NJ is TOO large an area for a seperate board. NJ is 1/20th the size of California and 1/40th the size of Texas, yet both California and Texas have their own seperate boards. If you divide NJ in half and group NNJ with NY and SNJ with the Mid-Atlantic board you get the same sort of size difference as you have with California and Texas. Plus SNJ right now is lumped in with Philly, Baltimore and DC. This is akin to having NYC and Boston posts on the same board.

    All I'm asking for is the same chance that hobbyists in Boston, California, Carolinas, Chicago, Florida, Mid-Atlantic and Texas were given, a seperate New Jersey board.
  18. justme

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    To be honest, I don't know either. Still, I've learned to be wary of, 'Just try it out and if it doesn't work, switch it back.' Especially in cases where it ain't broke to begin with.
  19. rmj17

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    oops...

    I guess I don't understand the work involved.

    How difficult is it to simply create an NJ board? No need to pull old messages from other boards into the NJ board: posters can simply begin using the NJ board if they wish. If it doesn't fly, just "lock" the NJ board so no new posts can be added ... again, don't think you'd necessarily need to merge the NJ messages into some other board.

    Just my $.02
  20. justme

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    Of course all this splitting and merging requires a certain amount of work, right?