A visit to Kamasutra

Discussion in 'New York' started by jf355, Aug 22, 2001.

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  1. wsb

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    The problem with terms like "GFE" (which I feel should always be preceded by the word "simulated") and reviews in general is:

    (i) SO MANY johns have such increadibly low standards. I suspect one of the reasons Julie is so zealous about the type of service her girls provide is because her customers have come to expect that type of service. Without such service they are just another brothel competing in a down economy. Just as johns became empowered to a certain extent with the dissemination of reviews and info vie the Internet, they need to become more zealous about establishing minimum expectations in terms of service and appearance at particular price points.

    (ii) The subjective nature of reviews and terms like GFE, which is a STRONG argument for specifics being included in reviews. Had JF355 not included some details in his review, many johns may have been mislead by his referring to the provider as a "GFE". MANY johns also seem to allow themselves to be influenced in terms of how they describe a providers looks based upon the service or the "connection" they believe exists betweem themselves and the provider. I have seen johns review providers as "beautiful", "stunning" or "wet dream" that are OK looking at best. I have concluded that some of these well-meaning individuals most have neglected to include the word "inside" after their overly generous description. And........

    (iii) There are always going to be promoters and guys who seek to curry favor with providers by writing glowing reviews and recommending them as a GFE (in the hopes of perhaps actually obtaining a GFE for themselves), when they are perfectly aware that the lady really just provides adequate service or isn't all that good looking.

    --WSB
  2. Amazed_45

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    GFE

    I had a regular SP when I would travel up to Toronto.

    It was a GFE in that we kissed, watched sit-coms together, knew each other's favorite drinks and, during multiple hour sessions, maybe even doze off for 15 - 20 mins. together.
    Then she started commenting that I was losing too much weight and that I should eat better..and that was the JME (Jewish Mother Experience) and also that I really should get a new pair of shoes or at least get new heels put on the pair I had...that made it the (NWE)Nagging Wife Experience.

    I no longer travel up that way but I wonder from time to time if she treated all her regulars that way.

    [Edited by amazed_45 on 08-24-2001 at 03:24 PM]
  3. Gooey2k

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    Rating system

    This will be a tough thing to do. On a different board, we have tried for a long time to come up with a standard rating system that everyone could agree on. It never works. Everybodies tastes are so different when it comes to women that it seems impossible to do.

    The hobby was slightly different, rating extras from women at strip clubs...but you will find yourself running into the same problems I think.

    -Goo
  4. nj_buck

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    Rating system...

    JC.. good idea about the rating system, but how can you rate attitude or chemistry. YMMV drastically not only person to person, but from day to day.

    I know that I have had bad sessions that were totally my fault, because I went into the situation with the wrong attitude after having a truly stressful day. (try designing a fund management system for several multi-billlion $ alt. investment fund sometime... those people could get the pope to swear!) 8P

    Anyway, I had a standard template I picked several years ago that I used for reviews. I will start another thread with it so that we can suggest revisions and maybe we can agree on a standard.

    Thanks,
    Phil



    [Edited by nj_buck on 08-23-2001 at 03:02 PM]
  5. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold

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    EZ:

    Have had my share of bad sessions even though I have succeeded in buying the physical components of my GFE definition.
  6. Carl M

    Carl M Hanging by a thread

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    Re: The GFE

    Hey Ruby you almost snuck on by us- welcome to UG! Still over in Brooklyn sweety!
  7. Carl M

    Carl M Hanging by a thread

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    After reading JCs post- I was laughing so hard I could not even type on the keyboard, your right what the fuck- I agree also!!
  8. Ezrlove

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    You must have had some really, really bad sessions.
  9. ruby

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    The GFE

    It's true that different hobbyist (or whatever you prefer to be called on whatever occasion) like different things. In my opinion that is up to both the hobbyist & the provider to have enough communication between them to figure that out. If a provider can't be at least somewhat genuine with a hobbyist who prefers a GFE, then they should either not book a session with that person or get out of the business completely. You have to like the guy a little,or be a very good actress. That's just my two cents worth.
  10. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Re: John, Trick, Hobbiest

    If it gets you where you need to go...
    hp
  11. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

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    Of course, after you oblige and kick them, they say "see, I told you so".
  12. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

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    "It goes without saying that given how many men women in this business see each year, feeling anything on a personal level for them when they are with johns would be tantamount to walking around with a "Kick Me" sign on her back."

    And I suppose we don't see plenty of people all over the place ( like here ) with some version of that sign ( albeit "virtual" ) ??? Some even have a "Please kick me" sign.
  13. TuckernotSucker

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    JC

    Looking forward to your new rating system.. YOu continue to keep a smile on my face. A real BFE
  14. TuckernotSucker

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    John, Trick, Hobbiest

    There are times when I like being called a John or Trick. It is those times when I chose to be with a SLUT. There are other times when I prefer Hobbiest, its classier for a woman with class. Am I a nut? Yessiree.
  15. Geezy Muldoon

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    Sense of connection is all based on illusion and self-deception and is really based on how good the woman is at being unobtrusive and letting us feast on her like a good steak in a good restaurant. ( I personally don't like my steaks to talk back to me.) A so called GFE, in my opinion, has merely mastered the art of being unobtrusive and being a blank movie screen while providing whatever services are most prized.

    A better means of rating women is clearly necessary. Perhaps something along the lines of rating methodologies used to rate securities and debt instruments and at least as detailed. Will post a proposed methodology in this thread at a later time.
    No doubt it will be upsetting to romantics and some women, though it will certainly not be my intent to upset them by promulgating a more scientific method.


    *It goes without saying that given how many men women in this business see each year, feeling anything on a personal level for them when they are with johns would be tantamount to walking around with a "Kick Me" sign on her back.
  16. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Hobbyist

    Agree Bill, dont like to think of myself as a trick or a john, but hobbyist makes me feel like a stamp collector!
    take care HP

    BTW congrats on Gold
  17. Bill Furniture

    Bill Furniture Flounder

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    At least the word "hobbyist" is better than "trick" or "john."

    [Edited by Bill Furniture on 08-23-2001 at 11:39 AM]
  18. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    GFE

    Like it or not, we are stuck with the "GFE" appellation. And while it may not have any meaning to some, it does to others. I agree with those that say, describe the experience and your personal reactions to it. I think that" GFE" does have meaning only if the person writing it and the person reading it are in agreement as to what it means. For example if a well known hobbiest( another term I dislike) sends me an account of his experiences with a particular person, I know what he means by "GFE", because we have discussed it. If an escort advertises herself as a" GFE", I have no idea what that means.
    take care HP( VBE)
  19. TuckernotSucker

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    Long Winded

    To call the initials GFE meaningless is to sacrifice all the work and posting by us hobbiests over the years.
    After all, what we are looking for in a session is different for each one of us. If a girl advertises GFE then at least some of what some of us are looking for will be there.
    I agree with Phantom and Littleguy that it is a feeling, a connection that is GFE. The other stuff is not as important. The fact that a girl advertises it means that at least some of it will be there.
    We have fought long and hard to get a forum where we can discuss these items and the girls are pre-screened in forums like this. So, at least when we see a girl that is mentioned here we know somewhat what to expect.
    And, this post is in no way reflective of Kamasutra. I have been there 2 or 3 times and each time have been fortunate to have a woman that was GFE to me.
  20. Humble Narrator

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    The term "GFE" has in fact become meaningless. I don't use it for that reason. I ignore it when I see it.

    So, what to do? I try and actually explain a) what happened and b) what I liked or didn't like and why. Sound like a lot of work? Sure, but it beats saying nothing.

    Not to be insulting, but JF's first two posts should be the "poster children" for eliminating the term from our lexicon. I especially liked the second post's explanation:

    "I'm more satisfied with the establishment and the possiblity that the other girls will be more intimate."

    At least he's saying it outright.