Candy Cotton @ Flashdancers....

Dancers and sincerity

I disagree. I have met plenty of dancers who I wanted to date and take home to mom. but in this business, you don't date your clientle(always an exception). I have met two fo my best friends at local clubs this way. If you are looking for a buck, I am a good judge of character where I will appraoch you for outside work. If you want to get to know me, another story. I have been going to strip clubs for a while now.
Also, I know that dancers are there to make money, but if I am not in the mood, please leave me alone or don't be a bitch to me. I tend to be upfront and would like to the same. That is all. If you don't want to talk "life" with me, fine, I'll understand when you do walk away. Maybe you American dancers can teach the Russian and the young ones as well

What do I think my job is, exactly? Wow, that´s a great and tough question. I suppose that it´s a lot of things, dependent upon what the situation calls for. Part fantasy girl/ part therapist/ part entertainer...... I give men the pleasure of an innocent sexual thrill with no strings attached, some cool conversation and a lighter wallet. i like to feel someone´s eyes on me, desiring me, it´s a turn on most of the time. One of my greatest thrills is hearing someone sigh and shake their head with a devilish grin after I finish a dance, as if to say ¨Damn girl, you really shook me up!¨ I think that part of my job is making each and every customer feel special, and this is accomplished differently with everyone. Despite what all of you say about what a guy wants when he visits a strip club, i´ve even found that just being a sympathetic sounding board can sometimes be quite profitable. ( sometimes.)

I wish a had a better answer to your question. I´m a little tired right now. Maybe I can compose a more insightful response tommarow.

Yeah!

-Ww

N.B.: To see what I mean, you have to start at the last page of that thread and work backwards. Because it actually started out kind of reasonable, but soon got sort of forced into what I'd call the majority tendency.

In part, I'm quoting that because I think it's so important that I wanted to make sure it didn't get buried at the bottom of the post it appeared in.

But I also wanted to say that it brought to mind a debate I've been having over the last couple of weeks with a stripper I've known for a long time who's now working at one of the new Manhattan clubs. She keeps insisting that what she gets paid for is "conversation". To support that contention, she says that if she were to give a guy a blow job in the Champagne Room but not have a good conversation with him, she'd probably never see him again -- but she gets lots of guys to keep coming back whom she's conversed with (and not fellated).

I think her premises are probably right. But I think her conclusion completely misses the point. (I'm sure I'll say why later. Now I'm just putting this in for discussion.)

Well, in terms of "very top girls", I think people - dancers as well as customers - are deluding themselves if they think that any particular dancer (and especially any "top dancer) isn't offereing any sort of "extras", either inside the club or outside, simply because they claim not to be. And as I said before, mileage trumps bitchiness*.

* But if we've graduated to "I don't understand why these 5'10" Blond Blue Eyed Nordic Queens with huge tits and legs up to their necks who look like Penthouse Models make more money than me because I'm sweet and I have quirky looks", let me know.

Sure. But if I understand what Danielle's complaining about, it's that she makes a good enough living, but can't understand why she isn't one of the very top girls at her mainstream club.

That sounds to me like the definition of catering to a signficant minority taste.

But looking at any mainstream discussion of that topic is misleading, because not only does it pass over the very large portion of the population who have alternative tastes (how many "books" has Harry Crumb sold?), but it also leaves out the tsates of the population hear who are affraid to voice such 'non-mainstream" proclivites in "public" for fear of being made fun of. Look at what happens when anyone tries to start a discussion on anything even slightly "alternative" here.

Yeah, but in that sense "acting like someone's girlfriend" includes in the bedroom.

It means :"Wow, you don't seem nearly as much of a money grubbing, gold-digging, bitch from hell as these other girls in here. I'd love to take you out to dinner some night and then go to a hotel and bang the shit out of you, and since you're not a prostitute not have to compensate you".

Or did you think all the shit guys say in strip clubs is the truth?

I can't believe you didn't say that "on purpose".

But more seriously, Danielle, exactly what do you think your job is? and in detail, please, because "making men happy" or "dancing" just won't do it.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what those guys meant when they suggested at the beginning of this discussion that you might do better as a prostitute than a stripper.

Go to the "Off-Topic" Board here. Look at a thread called something like "Fuck Fantasy" (it's longer than that, but it includes those words). I think it'll show you what you're up against. Cuz let's face it, what a lot of/most guys look for in a stripper is a fuck fantasy.

(FWIW, I personally find the taste exhibited in that thread apalling. But apparently nobody's gonna get real rich catering to my taste.) (Although god knows I try.)

LOL, man. I guess that the world is just not fair. It's good advice, as I really don't think that I could be anyone that I'm not, even in the strip club setting. If anything, I'm a more sexed-out playful me. But alas, I cannot alter my basic kind nature. I'll just have to settle for the decent living I earn that's supported by my loyal fans and the seekers of sweet innocent charm. But damn, these other girls will still never cease to bug the hell out of me. And the men who continue to spend ridiculous amounts of money on them thereby encouraging their behavior will always remain a ******* too.

An interesting tidbit - I've been told on many occassions by customers that I'm too nice, respectable, blah blah blah to be in the bussiness to begin with, or that they feel weird having me dance for them because I'm the kind of girl they wish they'd met anywhere but there (which I always thought was a really lame excuse for just not wanting a dance.) and plenty of guys have even said that I'm a girl they could just never misbehave with because it would make them feel like a total jerk. What does this mean? I think I just suck at my job. Maybe I could start running a service where I could be paid to act as someone's classy respectable girlfriend. Ha ha. I'm sure the phone would be ringing of the hook for that one.

Let's research that theory further.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... maybe this explains that bra Jocelyne was wearing at ASS-Con 8......................

Doesn't sound to me like she's doing that bad, though. Sounds more to me like she's trying to unravel one of the great mysteries of the universe: why something of lower quality sometimes does better than a rational observer would expect. (i.e. Beta v. VHS...)

If I were you, Danielle, I'd chalk it up as unexplainable and keep doing what you're doing. Or, if you desperately need an answer: men are fools.

Well maybe some of us would LIKE to think it was more than rhetoric...

Danielle, part of the reason why some bitches earn more may be simply taste(or lack thereof.) Everybody has a seen a nice, decent guy(or girl) going out with a psycho bitch from Hell and wonder WTF. Me personally, I've always liked a girl who knows the fastest way to a man's heart is straight though the rib cage.

Also, some guys may be kind of shy at actually having a real conversation with an attractive woman(or they're worried about letting slip about the Wife/kids/girlfriend/boyfriend etc at home.) So somebody who just comes up, says want a dance and away they go is all that person looks for.

I've found that lasting Middle East peace is probably easier than figuring out why some people do some seriously dumb shit.

Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
(thank you Mr. Miller)

Lick my boots, slave.

I wonder if clients like these are the kind that would seek dominatrices?

-Duck.

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