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Discussion in 'New York' started by justme, Jul 12, 2001.

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  1. Casper

    Casper

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    Re: *Yawn*

    But then that would make me bisexual. I have enough to deal with being hetero. Plus I'm not that flexible, not that I've tried .... :cool:
  2. ew

    ew Silver

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    *Yawn*

    If it had been a bbbj I would have been impressed.
  3. Casper

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    I have never gotten, asked for nor volunteered to be given a BBFS. However, I've given myself many a BBHJ. Am I allowed to admit it on here ? :cool:

    Peace Out
    C
  4. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    Plenty, relative - sure

    I can think of at least one JAG member who reported BBFS in a review. And I can guarantee with 100% certainty that he was being honest and was not trying to take business away from the girl. 100% certainty.

    But I take your point about the closed board aspect. Actually, as I think about it I'm more prone to believe that reviews of any time should be kept off open/mixed boards. As I recall, Slinky did make allowances for banning reviews.
  5. littleguy

    littleguy Gold

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    jm,

    "Plenty" is a relative term, don't you think.

    And JAG is, or rather was, considered a closed board and that particular thread was fairly brief if I recall. And nobody that I can remembered actually wrote a review about getting BBFS. I think that thread was more of a "sheepish" type of admission kind of thing.
  6. ew

    ew Silver

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    Irony alert.
  7. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    I guess you've seen more false reports than I have.

    liitleguy - Plenty of guys have admitted to getting it. There was a whole thread on JAG devoted to people admitting that they've gotten it.
  8. ew

    ew Silver

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    What makes the discussion irrelevant is that people who advocate always using a condom, under some circumstances, won't.

    It's as silly as clients being scandalized by an escort do a bbbj without asking me first. Like she forced it on you. Or escorts saying that she only does bbbjs if the client looks clean. ???

    So let's just stop talking about it publically.
    (We all know everyone will still talk about it privately though).
  9. littleguy

    littleguy Gold

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    Why BBFS should NOT be discussed. (just my opinion, so please don't flame me. Hahahahahahaha)

    1.) No experienced hobbyist will admit to WANTING it OR getting it. (Everybody will ridicule him, publicly or privately)

    2.) No provider will admit to offering it for fear of the same ridicule and even worse a loss of business from any hobbyists that consider her now VERY unsafe.

    There is NO reason for EITHER 1 or 2 to be a problem with anybody that will never do BBFS because they will be wearing a raincoat and therefore the BBFS that the provider has done in the past is a moot point.

    For those of you that do NOT think it is a moot point I will refer you to earlier posts in this (or another) thread that say essentially (and I have not seen any posts to the contrary), that ALL providers go BB with SOMEBODY, whether it is their husbands, boyfriends, customers, whoever. You MUST assume they have all gone BB with somebody.

    The above pretty much makes ANY discussion of of whether a lady offers BBFS irrelevant.
  10. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

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    I absolutley agree that accurate information is always better for the consumer. However, as I previoulsy stated elswhere, in my experience reports of BBFS are more often false than true. As a result, I personally find such reports meaningless, since if you can't trust any report on any subject, having "one of those" doesn't really do you any good. If you take that as a given, and that there is certainly a downside in the reports ( i.e. that they often note only cause rancor, but are most often used as a tool to slam someone ), I come down on th eside of not sharing such information. the only exception I would make, is between small groups of people, where there is some experience in sharing info, and in which there is no advantage seen in supplying "disinformation". It should be obvious that UG does not fall into such a category.
  11. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    Anyone here familiar with Bay's Theorem?

    You know, the only good argument in my mind against BB posts is that they are often not accurate. People who really do get BBservice are likely to report it, and a lot of the reports that I've seen over the last year have been false. Still, others (as far as I can tell) have been true, and I still maintain that information is better for the consumer. But as has been said on another thread, this commercial sex business is all about delusion, so what's another layer going to hurt?

    Anyone got any sand?
  12. TuckernotSucker

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    What is all the Fuss?

    If a working or non working girl does BBFS it is her health risk and the risk of any guy that does not stop to put a condom on.
  13. nashman

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    JMP,

    Great post.

    Casper,

    Excellant viewpoint.

    All ladies at one time or another have done BBBJTC & or BBFS either with their dates, boyfriends, or significant others. Knowing if a lady did BBFS with a particular client is irrevelant because of above. We all know the risks in this hobby. Life's too short so play safe and use a litte common sense during the heat of the moment and you'll be enjoying the hobby for a long time.

    Have fun!
  14. Casper

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    Reporting on BB-anything.

    What if Provider X has an active non-professional social life. if we use some people's arguments, then we would require her to reveal her non-professional sleeping habits as well ?

    If you're in this hobby, you take calculated risks, so you're either IN or Out. Some things CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be asked of others and I personally think the BB questions are one of them.

    I see all points of view on this matter but let's get real here.

    Peace Out
    C
  15. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    I see your point, jmp, but I still disagree based on the idea that a better informed consumer is always in a better position to make a choice. BBFS is going to exist, I agree. As I have said many times I think that the only smart way to approach commercial sex is to assume your partner has unprotected sex. Still, I think that the confirmation of such behavior is critical to the choices of many prospective clients. I'd much rather know whether or not a woman I'm thinking of seeing has definitely performed BBFS on one of her clients than I would know that she kisses or what her rates are. To me, excluding such information is almost a lie. When I read reviews I assume that the reviewer is detailing everything relevant, so if such information is omitted...
  16. jmp

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    Justme,
    I think there are major problems with publicly reporting any time anyone does BB-anything, especially BBFS.

    While one could make an argument that under certain very rare conditions, a provider and client might make an informed, planned decision to engage in BBFS, I doubt that any of those would then be publicly reported.

    Instead, when someone reports "I got BBFS from ****," the implication (whether or not it has any basis in fact) is that anyone can go get BBFS from that provider. This will effect that provider's business twofold.

    First, there are many who would rather avoid a provider who is seen as regularly engaging in that kind of higher risk activity. (I'm working from the basic assumption that all activity has some sort of risk, it's just a question of where each of us decides to draw the line.)

    Second are the clients who pop up on these boards every so often posting ISO BBFS. If there are public statements that a certain provider is performing BBFS, these clients will seek them out, even if they end up finding out that the rumors are untrue. Of course, any client who regularly engages in BBFS with multiple providers is at a higher risk of all sorts of STDs, increasing the risk for the provider if she actually is providing BBFS.


    The problem is that in a forum as public as this one, there's no way to notify the first group of clients without notifying the second, whether the allegations are true or not.

    If someone is providing BBFS indiscriminately, I would want no part of helping that second type of client find her. Of course, working with the assumption that all providers have had unprotected sex with someone, there are regular precautions that most of us take. Those who choose not to take those precautions do so at their own risk. It's not a risk I choose to take.
  17. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    Dawn - unless I'm misunderstanding you (in exactly the same way I misunderstood mercy) I completely disagree with the notion that BBFS should go unreported. This is precisely the kind of information that johns need to know before booking an appointment. Even if a providor makes a single excpetion to a no-BBFS rule, that excpetion would be extremely important in my decision to book that particular providor. Inasmuch as this (or any other commercial sex board) is a forum for trading pertinent information regarding the trade, I feel that to not post this kind of information would be directly opposed to the purpose of the board.

    <insert standard justme post about assuming all providors and all clients have unprotected sex>

    <insert obvious exception that false reports of BBanything or really false reports of anything (including, say, one's retirement from the business) should never be posted>
  18. Carl M

    Carl M Hanging by a thread

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    No pouting aloud!

    And no ass kissing to the higher ups! LOL!!
  19. LIDAWN

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    in defense of the gents..

    just a note to whom..
    as a provider i do take personnal offense when someone posts bare back anything.. about anyone,, even if there is ill will involved on major levels..only because it affects us all in the busness at one time or another.....
    that is a personal descision of each provider( not mine however sorry) and i feel should be kept........ so to speak under the covers not,.......on a public board .. feel free to discuss it via email though if you like.. but DO not expect if client A gets it you will as well.Client A maybe filling his own little cup.. grin wink.....
    I am NOt defending anyone but have been put in an awkward spot at times.... due to clients saying things that maybe were a bit exaggerated and then not being able to measure up to the grandious expectations... although i worked damn hard at it.. grin giddiup..
    but to the point.. I can say alll the gentlemen i have met in the past.. have been just that and i thank you from the bottem of my heart..... for being such gentlemen..... and keep it clean and clear and fun....
    hugzz of the biggest best kind to ALL of you and you know whom you are


    xxoo LIDAWN
    oh piddle i thought i made a new thread here..darn it alllll.. pout..



    [Edited by LIDAWN on 07-13-2001 at 09:34 AM]
  20. LIDAWN

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    ozzy

    i think i am in love .... love the dog comment unbelievable......too funnyi was rolfl
    giddiup...........
    hugzzzzzzzzz