Discussion in 'Stripclubs, Strippers and Porn Stars' started by letsgetstarted, Mar 13, 2006.
She heard Lace in NYC was good and asked me if I would come with her to check it out. She also asked me if knew other places, and I said that I would check it out.
Good advice. But can we stick to club info.
You lost. She calls me, more than I call her. But yes, I do wanna bang her!
She is an old pro at strip clubs. Has worked many NJ clubs. But seems to have issues with management at all of them.
BTW, she maybe low-rent, but she is beautiful and real model material., At 23 though, she has lost a step in that area.
Wise thoughts. This issue is at play.
JL - it is Rick's now, was the Paradise. I think it is owned by a group from Houston, a city that has more strip clubs than anywhere that I have ever been! The bartender was quick to point out which girls provide more action than others. But I had to go to another meeting, and could not take advantage.
When you say "the old Paradise", do you mean this was after it switched over to being Rick's?
This continues to be a fascinating discussion on a topic that has received mucho ink on this site, and which I have been thinking about for a long time. I never realized how good we had it with the Harmony, and how easy it was to meet ladies for outside activities at lots of the so-called high end clubs. It is all much more difficult today (and much more expensive) but kudos to you and JL for finding the way, each of you in your own way. My methodolgy these days is much simply: I go to various non-Asian massage places and find the ladies who will work outside. It's simply cheaper and much less effort than the strip clubs. Guess I've gotten lazy in my old age! I did go to the old Paradise on W. 33rd not long ago in between appointments, and determined from talking to the bartender that there were plenty of "dirty girls" in the place. Maybe I need to go back there for some variety!
Let's find more places that the girls consider "audition rooms!"
Chelsea, it depends on the market you move in. I am the poor man's version of JL. He and I have been discussing these topics for more than a decade [could be closing in on two now, eh Jl?] and I bow to his greater insight on most occasions. I've met the man more than once and would go out of my way to do so again [I don't say that about a lot of people].
Our major difference is that he has appreciation for certain illusions, which he fully acknowledges, and I claim to have none. I suppose that makes me the one setting himself up for a fall.
Which was an incorrect statement on my part and why I almost immediately corrected it to: "To be far more accurate I ought to have said: To the vast majority of strippers every dollar made by them is seen to be for their own benefit. Further, if any ancillary benefit is derived from the making of that dollar it is not only secondary, but coincidental, as far as they are concerned."
Most dancers who do extras, as I.C.'s, don't care if the club makes out. If the club folds they move on to the next one. If others profit from their activities it comes under the heading of, 'That's nice, but tell me again why I should care about that?'
This I conclude from direct discussions with dancers on the topic. You point out to them that if a club is doing well and is a good setting for their business, what ever that business is, it behoves them to look out for the welfare of the club and the typical response is, "Huh?". Now, I agree that dancers who don't do extras might feel a bit more concerned about the club if it provides a good environment for them to make money in.
For most dancers who do extras, to them it seems that it is their practices and not the club they are working at that makes them the money. Since their practices are portable all they care about is whether the club attracts guys with the right kind of money in their pockets [that would be green and plentiful].
And of course they complain about the split. Even a legit split gets complained about when the money gets into higher figures. Look at actors and sports stars who complain about the 10+% their management takes off the top.
As to the power plays. They are real, and wrong, enough. They will continue though until the dancers find a way to assert themselves and force management to acknowledge the nature of their symbiotic relationship.
True enough, except for the part where you say it is "appealing". I can tell you it that the "appeal" of it was one of the main reasons I stopped working as a bouncer in such places. Just too stupid for words... and for me, that is saying something.
Thorn, who begs your indulgence as it is time for me to mentally masturbate to the sound of my own voice now. Oooooh, that is sooooo good. I do me just the way I like it. [LOL!] Ripping good fun.
Massive DITTO on that.
Please don't you take this to heart...
Don't fret on hurting my feelings Dear Sub. The only thing thicker than my skull is my skin.
Do note though that I go out of my way to acknowledge my own pomposity and even am humbled by my knowledge of it. Though at this point in my life it is so hard to learn new tricks.
What is your excuse, most delightful hypocritical pot who insists on calling this kettle black?
Submissive's assessment is, er, "on the money." Wacy personalities, drama, mixed motives; all are part of the strip club scene. BUT, the bottom line for me is what is the opportunity to meet them outside the club? That is why I would go to a club, and learning from JL and Thorn is extremely helpful. They are the masters. I used to be pretty good at it but I simply don't like the NYC scene. The block in Baltimore and the strip clubs in SF are much more interesting.
SA / JL : Thanks for your insights in this thread. While I am a neophyte at the strip club "game ". I have found the conversations here fascinating and very intelligent.
i guess i wasn't really clear on my point - i was trying to point out how much of the VIP fee goes directly and indirectly to the club. (this in response to the idea that "Every single dollar made by a dancer is for the good of that particular dancer and has nothing to do at all with the good of the club it was made in.")
remember the case of jl and his "last dollar possible"? i think it is the same with the girls - management takes the maximum they think possible without losing the money-making girls. (and if you really believe that the dancers aren't complaining about the club split, you haven't been in the dressing room when a VIP-girl is put back on rotation or sent home for the night for some infraction or power-play - then you would hear *crying* "these motherfuckers, i make them all this fucking money and blah blah etc!")
besides, strip-club economics are not at heart a wholly mathematical equation - the clubs are populated by a lot of wacky personalities (management and dancers) with motives beyond financial gain (like power and need for approval) ...it's all part of the drama that makes it so very appealing
It's frequently been said that strip clubs have two sets of "customers" (or pigeons). One is the guys. The other is the strippers.
(Although from my observation the way it works is that they don't usually go after both of those customer groups full-bore at the same time. In good times, they mainly go after the guys. But when business drops, they start looking to the strippers. That's why you see things like shift fees going up when business goes down.)
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