Bill.. Ever think maybe it was the girl who just didnt know how to use it? I know a BBBJ is great with a stud.. Umm i mean tongue ring.. And the effect isnt the same..But with has got to be as good.. Bottom line.. I dont think it matters with or without ..If that girl can give bj in the first place, she will work that tongue ring, and you wont even know the difference.. But I did ask for opinions, and I apprecaite all of yours... Thank you Phantom..But I like to buy my studs in person..But I did get great ring ideas.. Kisses LETS GO YANKEES!!