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Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by Body2see, Aug 24, 2001.

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  1. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold

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    Thought for the Day

    Take the billion year view and wonder at the strange sight of the momentary grandchildren of invertebrates and tree shrews haggling, pontificating, philosophizing, politicking over what amounts to quasi-sentinent beings engaged in random purposefully unproductive exchanges of DNA for hire. Kinda silly ain't we?

    We will all be dead soon enough. I have paid the piper myself on more than one occassion and carry the grinning Maggot within me. Eight glasses of water a day are recommended for everyone. One or two good bowel movements as well. And a good laugh or two. Love for the day to have the power to radomly redirect views and posts to fundamentalist Christian websites, investor message boards, etc. to UG and JAG - and our views and posts to such websites and message boards. Hmm. Could such a computer virus be generated?

    My apologies to any providers I have ever offended in the past with my frank talk and searches for squalid fun.* Don't go away. The women who have posted here with speech that is not solely intended to raise interest in their commercial enterprises (e.g., Candide**, K.S., Valerie, Julie, etc.) have so very, very much to contribute to the general understanding of life and the vagaries of commercial sex.*** It would be a shame not to be able to become enlightened by what you all have to say. Equally a shame to not be able to become enlightened by other johns who lurk.


    * I have been perhaps too harsh at times in my comments, stating that providers have the souls of Mack Trucks, etc. Although that is certainly true with respect to some providers, it is probably not true as a general rule. Comment had more to do with the fact that I have always been most attracted to women who have such natures because I require displays of cunning and manipulation to make me feel anything other than my usual sense of jaded detachment. (Aside from my wife, almost all the women I have ever been attracted to have been manipulative psycho-bitches of one sort or another. Without the heat that such women bring to the proceedings, I would float away and loose interest in copulating. Maybe even stop breathing because I'd rather think than eat, sleep or fornicate. They seek to break down my detachment. I let them do so for a little while for the sake of hot sex before resuming my detachment. Constantly repeated little personal drama I engage in.) Clearly unfair to posit that as a general rule; it not being accurate. Some (probably most) providers are "nice" enough as human beings in the ordinary sense of the word and readily give their seats up on the subway to old or pregnant women, etc.

    **Of course, you may use the phrase "squalid fun." With your permission, I will likewise steal your phrases.

    **Mentally assembling the opening entry into a thread to be entitled "Bad Boys and Girls Guide to Hunting and Fishing" - intended as an essay on rating methodology, YMMV, the battle between the sexes, etc. When I am in a suitably funny and unromantic mood, I will post it. Hats off, of course, to Melissa Bank, the author who wrote "Girls Guide to Hunting and Fishing."

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 08-27-2001 at 02:36 PM]
  2. ew

    ew Silver

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    Me?

    I know they have access, but they aren't present in any meaningful way in terms of discussions. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. There is no real way to keep anyone off anything on the net.

    And, just as you say, many providers are quite good business women and as such make the small investment to join JAG...
  3. MrNY

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    ?

    do you REALLY believe that there aren't any ladies on JAG or have access to their threads ?

    think again.....

    AND, as any good business-person would, they approach it as objective market research...




    [Edited by MrNY on 08-26-2001 at 10:52 PM]
  4. Eye Won

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    Too Funny,,,,

    Im going into lurking mode, me too, everyone here is mean, blah blah blah. Jesus Christ, grow up. If you dont like it here, then leave. No one is forcing you to stay. If you can't take criticism you need to get a grip. It's a part of life... Everyone here cannot agree on everything. It's not going to happen. This board isn't going anywhere. So lurk all you want.... We will all still be here when you decide to come back....

    Imperialone.....OUT!!!!!(and not lurking)
  5. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Re: Its a sad day...

    It seems to me that "damaged egos" and "infantile disorders"[?], do not easily lend themselves to healing differences in an adult way.
    take care HP
  6. ew

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    Quite true about the opinions, marketing and anonymity.

    If an escort wants to be anonymous for a particular opinion that's fine with me. But she needs to be around to even make the choice. I still think the presence of escorts make this board different because they can add their viewpoints. The general TBD and theeroticreview board seem to be able to keep a discussion going with escorts present. The trick seems to be that they are not in their home market and have to face any fallout from their opinions.

    If they aren't around JAG is often a more civil forum and a more comfortable place to post certain things (although there are no doubt escorts present). And TBD has a greater number of women who pop-up to announce themselves. There haven't been that much new info posted here on UG because people feel cautious about being connected with an escort. There needs to be escorts on this board, otherwise UG doesn't have a hook.
  7. paladin

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    Its a sad day...

    It's a sad day when a great provider like B2S drops from the board - whether voluntary or involuntary is (to me) irrelevant. Overall, I have enjoyed UG a lot. I've even had fun at a couple of the get togethers. But, more recently, I've seen that UG is not immune to the same damaged egos and infantile disorders that are all too present on the other boards.

    It's a shame that things have to get so far that we can't heal our differences in an adult way. Its a shame that anyone (hobbiest or provider alike) might end up "off the board". It should have to come to that.

    I, for one, would like to see B2S continue her presence here.
  8. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    Once you drag yourself into a public forum, you will automatically open yourself up to various negative consequences.

    I hate quoting myself, but in light of recent events I think this bears repeating.

    ew - The problem (I think) is that some of the feelings that a providor could have about the issues discussed would run counter to her own ability to market. One thing that I really liked about the shh thread is that she refused to tell anyone her business name. I think this allowed her to post opinions that she may have not been able to post otherwise. However, with anonymity a providor looses the board as a marketing channel, and so what motivation does she have to post?

    Candide - I'm very happy to hear that.

    MrNY - great posts.
  9. MrNY

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    more on that....

    the only times that i have noticed issues is when somone posts a negative comment about a lady - this seems to spark "wars"

    women - defending their position, their reputation and their thoughts...

    men - defending their "girlfriends," being put up to do the same, that are taking issues from other boards and bringing them here and ego-maniacs.....

    i for one, am glad that apm is on-the-job and swiftly deals with issues and above all, trouble-makers

    why can't we all play nice ?

    why do we need to bring this down to the personal-level ?

    why do we need to belabor some of these issues ?
  10. MrNY

    MrNY Subject to blackouts

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    ew ......

    "... thought the original intention was to have both escort and client coexist here..."

    the BIG question is it possible ?

    i believe that the original and current intent of the board is to have an open forum to exchange information, share insights, findings and humor and above all, have fun...

    maybe i'm wrong ...
  11. Candide

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    Thank you for clarifying Justme

    With mutual respect, I accept your explanation which is valid, reasonable, clear, intelligent, and very well written - C.
  12. ew

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    Which I guess is why all the escorts have disappeared again.

    I thought the original intention was to have both escort and client coexist here.

    Because if the escorts are gone (okay I can do without the meaningless banter, but I don't mind it) then you won't be able to discuss topics like marrying a provider etc. I suspect that this board is really more useful to many as a place to reflect about what we do and why moreso than informational exchange. Candide, KS, and Julie have helped further our understanding greatly about some matters in a way that couldn't be done on JAG. Of course, also they are all retired from the biz. Well not Julie but it's a little different.

    So how can we keep the working ones on here? I think that quite a few of the working women who were on the board for a bit were quite willing to be a part of the community. In terms of their service they tolerated enough innuendo and posted information to give a prospective client the correct picture of their level and quality of service. But, using hypotheticals, many women don't like to see posted ad nauseum that she loves to swallow or digs greek etc. It may be absolutely 100% true and she may have even told you this personally but it makes things more difficult for her running her business. It kind of takes the leeway that the escort has in dealing with some clients. Johns need to be fully informed, but if you hear x-hundred times that she does X, and it doesn't happen with you it is going to be a bad scene. It's bad for the John because he feels that he got shanked and the escort because now she will wait for the negative feedback on the boards. I am not advocating that active escort posters be "off-limits". The guy can spend 1 minute learning to use the search function because it's on here already or email her or other posters. It's more of a discretion issue.

    So are there any active escort/posters anymore, other than agency owners?

    I'm not saying that anything was done incorrectly by either side, but we do need to find a happy medium right?
  13. Phantom

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    justme,

    Ditto your 08-26-2001 04:04 AM post.
  14. Bill Furniture

    Bill Furniture Flounder

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    Ozzy, Please e-mail me. I need some Philly info.
  15. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    I'm getting on this bandwagon because I consider Slinkybender to be as close to a friend as you can get online. I'm getting on it because it was implied that b2s was made unwelcome here because of her dealings with JohnJ. I was getting on the bandwagon because having been in correspondense with Slinkybender prior to B2S's post I understand the reasons why he might have been frusterated with some of her recent actions. I was jumping on the bandwagon because absolutely none of those reasons have anything to do with JohnJ, his thread, their interaction, or in fact her interaction with any member of UG. I don't always agree with Slinkybender, but I do know that he is very up front about what he will tolerate on his board and he excersizes his editorial policy reasonably judiciously. If I read someone post an outright lie I am going to call them on it, especially when that lie disparages a person that has worked very hard with very little return for a resource that I use frequently.

    I posted a three line post. The third line simply stated that i did not believe that any of this thread had anything to do with JohnJ. The first and second lines were unrelated. One was a quote, the second briefly (admitedly, perhaps too briefly) was a reflection of my belief that if you profit by the net you must expect to lose by the net. There is a certain sentiment (it seems) among many around these boards that you can pile as much sentimental subjective praise, but the second you post any subjective criticism you have overstepped some ridiculous boundry.

    Any providor who uses the Internet as a medium of advertisement should be fully aware of the adverse effects that it can have on her business and her personal life. Once you drag yourself into a public forum, you will automatically open yourself up to various negative consequences. If you are unwilling to deal with those consequences you should stay the hell away from any of thses boards and stick to the back pages of Screw magazine.

    I hope you accept my explanation, because quite frankly you are one of the few posters with two X chrosomes that I feel contributes anything of value to these threads, and I respect that.
  16. Ozzy

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    fish fry...

    what in my post even remotely pertained to you?


    and if the APM wants, he can edit the girls name cause my 2 hrs are up.





    yeah i know, i wasn't going to respond but.....



    when you deal with idiots....
  17. Slinky Bender

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    "Apparently if you are friends with someone who the management decides they don't like, you yourself become a target"

    I think that's an extremely cheap shot. You asked me about that privately, and you got a totally straightforward answer, but I guess that wasn't good enough for you ( for those in the cheap seats, the answer was that no one is going to get shafted for what other boards they decide to inhabit ). Now, you come in and claim that somehow "mangement" here has made you a "target". I have to say that this is an incredible line of bullshit.

    While I see more than one "agressive" post in this thread, I only see one threat, and it's coming from you. If you really are all that unhappy here, why do you stick around ?????
  18. Bill Furniture

    Bill Furniture Flounder

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    I don't wanna lurk!
  19. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

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    Everyone needs to do what they think is best for themselves, but IMHO lurking, playing ones cards close to the vest, claiming to know all or part of anything, all add to the dis-ease on this board. All of these things have been discussed, dissected and ranted back and forth on different threads with different subjects- what is brewing here is exactly the kind of situation that has caused ugly exchanges in the past. Lets learn from the past for a change- or talk about baseball, where no one really gives a shit who is ultimately right.
    take care HP( who knows absolutely nothing about anything raised here)
  20. Phantom

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    Allen, Slinky,

    Since everyone seems to be going into lurk mode, why don't you go ahead and take Utopia Guide offline. I mean if you have all these lurkers and no one posting you might as while save yourself some money.