Guy: Your rebuttal is, as I expected, erudite and complete. What strikes me at first glance is, do the normal contributers to the board really care to read this? Isn't your point by point critique of my post rather tiresome to most hobbyists? You suggested that the infatuation that Phantom and I have experienced for individual providers is not a subject that you care to read about on UG. I take that criticism to heart, and I apologize for sharing my feelings about the one provider, whom, in my long involvement in "this thing of ours," captivated my heart. That is over, and I fully realize that I played out my own feelings for her on UG. That will not happen again, at least if I can be rational. I apologize to all of you who have endured my emotive posts. But, I also want to thank everyone for making me understand that, at bottom, this entire enterprise can be boiled down to "money for sex." Somehow, I forgot that, at least in this case. I doubt that I will ever again be lured into believing that I can have a "relationship" with a provider, apart from the sexual one. Regarding legalizing the hobby, we seem to be in agreement. What troubles me is, in our postmodern world, we, as hobbyists, face an overwhelming opposition. I wish I could concur that the left would support us, but, Bill aside, I see little evidence to make me optimistic. Finally, I thank you for your kind words about my perception and defense of providers. They are, obviously, the sine qua non of the hobby. I take their side because I have rarely been disappointed by a woman in this business and because I recognize how formidable the obstacles to their success can be. Sorry if I "bit your head off" earlier. Invective and discursive polemics are a natural part of my writing and thinking. It was not warranted, but I was too immersed in my "relationship" to be objective. Further, I was a "cucumber" regarding our errant poster on TBD, because I seldom correspond with primates. If my mother was not in intensive care as I write, perhaps I could have been more crass. But, that particular idiot's invective paled in comparison to the real life situation I continue to confront. I ignored him, explaining his existence as proof that Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents had some validity. I doubt this answers all your concerns. If it doesn't, let's get together at a bar to talk in more depth.. I do not want to put the rest of the hobby to sleep.