How do Indie's get busted by LE?

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  1. Samanthofny

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    awwwwwwwe gee and i thought i was so much more convincing then that! JL even a fine conseur as yourself (sp?) I'm certain is able to tell the differnce from a fake orgasm and a true one. Just a lucky guess of course!
  2. justlooking

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    You mean THAT'S why you guys (not really "guys" I guess) all do all those fake moans and cries and stuff?
  3. Rocko

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    great post

    Thanx for the insights
  4. Samanthofny

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    Best wat not to get busted as an indie is never dicuss monies or services, they start asking about my rate i refer them to my website, they start asking about my service i refer then to ***. Only thing i'm discussing on the phone is an appointment. Then when the guy gets there get him naked fondel his dick and make enough noise so that is anyone is listening they also know your engaging in sexual relations. Do NOT touch the $ till he leaves, hell dont even mention it. I'ds rather take the chance of a guy walking out without paying me than scooping up my money and being put in cuffs. BTW any independent incall which has more than one girl there falls under the "promotion of prostitution " act. you can loose your apt behind this And yes they will lie. I had one say , after i put him in the room while awaiting for a girl who was running late, i made smaLL Talk with him, nothing sexual, i was trying to keep his mind off the lateness of my girl. Then i stood to excuse myself he said sorry honey and pulled out the badge. I started screaming its a bust its a bust and wrestling with this guy, but each and everygirl got out through the locked bathroom through the window, they might of had to walk barefoot but they avoided a bust. I get to court and my attourney shows me papers that the cop said i offered him 150 for a blow job, yeah right the mADam of a 300 incALL IS DOING 150 BJ'S TO MAKE ENDS MEET. nEEDLESS TO SAY THEY THREW THat case out as soon as it hit the courtroom, LIARS. Being an indie is the safest way to go, its to much trouble as well as too much paper work to take in one girl, they much rather go for the incalls, outcalls are too hard to prove, so never believe the hype!
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  5. pswope

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    A couple of dabs under my testicles and the lady becomes my slave.

    (where do you think the line: " Be careful how you use it came from!")
  6. howardnotstern

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    i have heard several antecdotes regarding more motivated le in other places (sacramento, phoenix) busting indies as pswope and Wwanderer describe. girls' screening methods seem to boil down to 'gut feeling', which seem to be as successful as you would figure.
  7. vegasjim

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    Re: Re: How do Indie's get busted by LE?

    OFC is Operation Flea Collar. Search the threads in the Florida section. Also search TDB.

    As far as protecting yourself the girls can answer better I am sure but for starters screen well, Check with other providers for references, and use gut instinct.
  8. vegasjim

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    Re: Re: How do Indie's get busted by LE?

    OFC is Operation Flea Collar. Search the threads in the Florida section. Also search TDB.

    As far as protecting yourself the girls can answer better I am sure but for starters screen well, Check with other providers for references, and use gut instinct.
  9. BigBucksNYC

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    What is OFC??

    Thanks for all youre responses!!!

    **So then what is the best advice on how an indie should protect herself from LE??**
  10. justlooking

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    Swope's career proves that not only is that not a deterrent, but it's a great mileage enhancer.
  11. vegasjim

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    Read info on OFC.
  12. Bill Furniture

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    Hi-Karate, Sam Malone's secret weapon.
  13. BigMadM

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    I was thinking more on the lines of Hi-Karate or English Leather
  14. pswope

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    Shoe Test
  15. mercydancer

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    aside from the sting operations there's also the set ups. I had a friend get busted afew years ago because a local rival dropped a dime on her.
    After being in the business for a while a girl starts to develop a gut feeling for things. If something doesn't feel right in the bottom of my stomach, I'm not working.I also have this really deep paranoia about too much advertising.
    WhenI was in Peepland, if the owner had any doubts about a customer quite a few times he pulled me off my stage and asked me to go where ever the guy was so I could get a smell about him.
    I know it sounds ridiculous, but I can actually smell the LE in a guy. LOL
  16. justlooking

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    Big DITTO to that.
  17. Wwanderer

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    Re: I agree...

    That is certainly true, but it is mainly because LE has little motivaton to go after them and relatively rarely does so, not because any of the precautions you mention are very effective. LE has various options for defeating all of them, including simply lying on the stand about what happened and was said behind closed doors; it is said to be a common practise by people who would know.

    -Ww
  18. ArgentoLuna

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    I agree...

    I agree with pswope, that the main way is a sting operation. However, as far as I'm concerned indies will never get caught as long as they use some common sense. Most of the girls I've seen never mention anything having to do with any sexual act until the deed is done.

    I see a girl who does massage only (no fs or bj) when she visits New York, and she tells me all she does is incall, because that way she can control her environment, detect anything suspicious, etc. I know most girls prefer doing outcalls, but maybe incalls are a little less risky.

    The first time I saw an independent, she sent me a list of rules in advance of how to act, what to say and do regarding money, etc. Some girls even take your driver's lisence number and do a background check to make sure you are who you say you are. I'm not saying anything is fool-proof, but with just a little bit of caution, I think most indies will never get caught.
  19. pswope

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    stings. LE books an appointment and the lady accepts $$ in exchange for agreement to provide sex.

    There have been hotel stings,especially at crack-house type of hotels in the Bronx,as a result of neighborhood complaints.

    Hot Sheet motels on LI have been targted for stings. In case to shut down an escort service.

    Also been reports of stings at high end hotels,like the Four Seasons.
  20. BigBucksNYC

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    I was just wondering if anyone knows how often LE targests Independent providers (especially in NYC)? If they are targeted, how are they usually busted? Is there any way that indie's can protect themself from LE?

    It seems as if being part of a house is more risky interms of LE involvement due to the higher exposure rate of the establishment and the fact that they can bust a lot of of people with one movie, instead of just one indie at a time. Still, I imagine some independents are targets but can't really think how they are.

    A provider once told me that outcalls she does to the client's home are always safe because LE never usese homes as stings but outcalls to hotels are a bit more risky because if a sting does occur, that is where it goes down. I don't know if this is true or not but it sounds good...is this true in NYC?

    How do independents effectively avoid LE, especially when they are advertising on eros or ny-exotics or even this board where they profiles are fully visible to the entire public???

    Thanks for all your info :)
    -BBNYC