Hypocrisy Is So Sexy In A Call Girl

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  1. Escort_King

    Escort_King Some day I will learn to post ISO's in the proper

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    Hey I remember finding a sweet deal at $75 an hour in Voice back in late 80s... girl was hot into Greek and suggested bringing her friend in for the extra 75... went for that in second hour.... with tip best 300 ever spent... though they did not last long... say 3-4 months
  2. justlooking

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  3. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

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    2 things:

    1) I'd be more inclined to have less "bothel" categories and more "agency" categories, since there is probably more variablity there, rather than less.

    2) Why don't you start with the info on as many "boxes" in teh matrix as you know, and we'll see if others can fill in the rest.
  4. Geezy Muldoon

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    Curious now as to what prices in New York City have historically been, say, from about 1970 onwards in 5 year (i.e., 1970, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995, 2000) increments at:

    1. Basic Manhattan Discount Brothels (Second Avenue Affair, Blairs Lair, etc.)

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-125
    1990-160
    1995-180
    2000-200

    2. Better Quality Manhattan Brothels (Overtures, etc.)

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-180
    1990-230
    1995-280
    2000-300

    4. Basic Manhattan Discount Agencies

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-
    1990-
    1995
    2000-400/600

    5. Better Quality Manhattan Agencies

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-
    1990-
    1995-
    2000-800/1,000+

    6. Discount Independents

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-
    1990-
    1995-
    2000-150/300

    7. Better Quality Independents

    1970-
    1975-
    1980-
    1985-
    1990-
    1995-
    2000-400/1,000+

    What I am interested in determining is how reasonable the rate of inflation in prices has been given the increases in rents and the cost of living in New York City. From what I have been told and surmised, the average working semi-desirable prostitute in New York City tries to at least earn somewhere between $3,000 to $4,500 a month to cover their bills. Most are not earning much more than that, and many (usually less desirable street walkers or lazy or otherwise subsidized) are earning far less.

    Real analysis of the possibility of price decreases would follow from such information. Stepping up the volume of transactions would not seem to be the answer, because women tend to burn out doing more than 5 men a day for prolonged periods and, in fact, become less desirable as a result.

    (My knowledge of No's 2 and 3 date only from 1985 onwards. My knowledge of No's 4 and 5 date only from my discovery of boards such as these a year or so ago. Before that I relied on Screw and New York Action. Also curious about how men found out what was out there from 1970-1985? "For a good time, call so and so" scratched on a bathroom stall in the better restaurants and bars?)

    [Think this might do it, though terminology obviously leaves something to be desired and is subject to debate.]

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 11-09-2001 at 01:09 PM]
  5. wsb

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    The 80's, especially immediately prior to the market crash, were pretty excessive times (at least on Wall Street they were). $400 wouldn't even buy dinner. Wall Street types and other "masters of the universe" would pay $400 for a call girl, even if she was average, because everything had to be "the best".

    FWIW, I do seem to recall reading somewhere that she charged less than that. Perhaps earlier in her career. At any rate, since she purportedly worked as a call girl long before the Internet was commonplace, that clearly explains why no one remembers seeing her as a client. I don't mean to be crass, but I don't even remember all of the non-providers I've slept with, let alone some Asian call girl in a city loaded with them. Earlier in her career, before she became a "high priced call girl with a book of regulars", there would have been nothing memorable about her. Most of her former clients are probably too old to even bother with computers anyway - other than perhaps a vintage Quotron.

    --WSB

    [Edited by wsb on 11-08-2001 at 07:38 PM]
  6. Geezy Muldoon

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    If I recall, Overtures on 48th did not even start to pass the mid 200s until the late 1980s. Women there were almost uniformly young and quite attractive. In other words, they really were 21, were objectively good looking by any man's standard, gave a great session and were often educated to boot. Women of that type nowdays would be priced at agency rates of approximately $800-$1,000. Hell back then you could even get a diamond in the rough occassionally at places like Second Avenue Affair (Telephone Number 308-1686) for $125 an hour (e.g., Martine (Code Name-Amber), Alison (Code Name-South).

    Not aware of what the agency or independent rates were back then. But if rates are historically proportional, would think Quan would have had to have been quite a looker and/or performer to get $400 15 years ago.

    (Now if I can just correctly recall the old phone number for Overtures once more, I'll know oldtimers disease has not finally caught up with me. Walk by the door every once in a while on the way to Janes still hoping that it will open and Pearl (tiny 20 year old Asian mix who knew her business and tasted just GREAAAAT as Tony the Tiger would say) will call out to me and say "Come inside." (Sniff.))

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 11-08-2001 at 07:23 PM]
  7. Slinky Bender

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    While I can't say this is conclusive, I did contact someone who was alledgedly one of Ms. Quan's "former associates", and this person said that she never worked there. It appears that supposedly she worked over 15 years ago. Do you have any idea what a $400/hr girl was back then ????

    [Edited by slinkybender on 11-08-2001 at 06:06 PM]
  8. wsb

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    OK, so you all agree with me? Glad we settled that.

    Has anyone invited Ms. Quan to respond to the allegations (or perhaps she knows where to find greek in NJ?)???

    --WSB
  9. wsb

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    What *does* a $400/hr provider look like??? There are plently of women out there that have sub par looks and are charging slightly more or less than that rate based upon their claim of a "gfe" experience.

    The only evidence I have heard in support of the assertion that Ms. Quan is a fraud is that she is not known on any of the escort boards. This strikes me as somewhat arrogant, since there is a vast commercial sex universe, upscale and downmarket, that has nothing to do with the Internet.

    Additionally, while I can't disagree that some of her stories sound fabricated, they also have truthful elements, and if she fabricated that info she would have had to obtain the info from some place. The most likely place would be from other escorts, but that would also expose her to claims of fraud from her sources. I have never heard of any escorts or madams claiming that Ms. Quan stole any of their stories.

    Lastly, it is my understanding that Ms. Quan claims she was a sex worker several years or more ago and has not worked in that capacity since reinventing herself as a journalist. It was certainly a great deal easier to be far below the radar 5 to 7 years ago when less people used the Internet.

    --WSB
  10. skagen

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    She doesn' t look any better than the average street girl, let alone $400/hr asian woman. But then again there are agencies on this websiite asking $150 or $200 for ladies that are not materially different than street girls. So who knows?

    Either way, I have NEVER encountered anyone in real life or online who has known of, let alone, actually done her. maybe I need to start my own scam and write articles about being a $400/hr outcall guy...
  11. Slinky Bender

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    $1.33/lb ? I'll take 95 lbs, please.
  12. fletch

    fletch Voice of Reason

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    I wouldn't assume anything from the price she claims to have charged. There are 300-pound women who charge that much.
  13. Slinky Bender

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    Now, we have a photo of Ms. Quan. Look familiar to anyone ???? Does she look like a $400/hr provider ???
  14. justbill

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    The lady in question is now retired, or so she says, and you can catch her early writings on http://www.salon.com. makes for funny reading.
  15. rogue

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    Ms Quan's id

    That's because the MS Quan who is writing the book is the Ms Quan from the Mad TV show!!
  16. TuckernotSucker

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    JC

    All I can say relative to Quan's book is that if there is reincarnation, I want to come back as an escort.
  17. Escort_King

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    Miss Quan

    Have to look for the book... doubtful if she works as an independent from the above posts... but hey there has always been a good supply of places hiring Orientals (just guessing from the name).
    Now the delightful Ms X... that was one I would have loved to have enjoyed... her attitude puts most current providers to shame....
  18. HAPPY GUY

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    Slinky, you may very well be correct about her having never actually worked as a provider.

    I find her fiction to be entertaining, though, in that "this is good stuff for procrastinating at work" kind of way.
  19. justme

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    Anybody ever do Ms. Quan?

    I'd be surprised (see SB's post above).
  20. Slinky Bender

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    I stopped reading Ms. Quan's work because I believe she doesn't know where the "fiction" stops and the "facts" start. Part of this is because I find it hard to believe there is a "call girl" working in NYC in the "circles" she claims to have fequented who no one on UG, TBD or JAG has even heard of, and who deosn't appear to have ever advertised anywhere. Add some of teh other "facts", and it just doesn't add up ( for me ).