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Discussion in 'New York' started by Roberta of Houston, Mar 5, 2001.

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  1. guy catelli

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  2. MrNY

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    Did .......

    Did Roberta ever make it to NY after all of that conversation ?!?!

    She was so vocal on her days approaching the big trip .....

    But, I didn't hear anything during and after ...

    So, did she get here ?

    Did anyone see her ?

    How was her special-pre-paid hotel room ?

    How was she and/or her service(s) ?

    Did anyone use her registery ?

    Inquiring minds wanna know :)


    Post a review, gents !
  3. Talisa

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    I was starting to think I was the only who was raised that it is bad manners to request gifts or even hint at them. I was taught that a gift, any gift should be appreciated for the gesture itself and thus appreciated whether or not it was something I liked or wanted.

    And I too have always found the idea of a gift list offensive. The client is paying a lot of money and in my view to put up a gift list is a way of saying "I expect a gift."


    I have long been curious as to how a gift list strikes clients. Do you think it is rude and demanding or do you find it acceptable or even helpful? Do you feel pressured or obligated to bring an escort a gift if she posts a gift list? Gosh I could never imagine handing out unsolicited gift lists to my friends and family for my birthday or Xmas.

    Gaetano, my darling, a bridal registry is quite different. It is tradition to give the bride and groom gifts to start their household and the guests share the burden of such an expensive undertaking collectively to help out the new couple. You don't give the couple a large sum of money AND a gift. So if an escort were going to work in exchange for gifts alone it would be perfectly acceptable to post a list from which to choose an appropriate gift. In this case I do believe Miss Manners would find a gift list to be very bad form.


    Talisa

    http://www.losangeles-massage.com
    "Where Your Confidentiality Is Always Honored"





    [Edited by Talisa on 03-29-2001 at 01:56 AM]
  4. boris

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    You never know. They probably have escorts in Lapland who might show you quite a good time. They might use it the same way some of us might use whipped cream.
  5. Slinky Bender

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    I guess I should return that jar of Vita Herring, huh ?
  6. boris

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    I'm no expert, but there's a long tradition of bringing gifts to courtesans in a couple cultures. I suspect that the ritual helped to set a tone for the client/guest that the encounter wasn't purely commercial but also quite personal. Money and barter also weren't so easily distinguished from one another in those days.

    I rather doubt that the Veronica Francos or their ilk would have used Amazon.com, but what the heck, times change. I assume that Roberta has the list because clients do sometimes bring her gifts. I would rather have a bunch of books I care to read rather than hundreds of flowers, underwear, Burger King gift certificates, or one of those singing fish that hang on the wall.

    It's a little paradoxical, but I think the line gets crossed when it becomes clear that the gifts buy you treatment you wouldn't get otherwise.
  7. nypete

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    gift requests

    There are gift requests and there are gift requests. Asking for silverware is one thing. But Roberta of Houston's wish list consisted mostly of rather esoteric books. I find that charming.
  8. justme

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    I should be clear in stating that I see gift requests as nothing more (or less) than tacky, and thus kind of a turn-off. Certainly providors are free to turn of their client base in their ads if they so desire.

    Gift requests = bridal registry... C'mon, you could've done better than that.
  9. guy catelli

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    justme,

    were it not evident that more than the usual amount of care and attention had already been paid to your tutelege, i would not have focused so much of my own attention on you.

    while i am not greatly familiar with the mating rituals of the bourgeoisie, they seem to have an analogous custom that they consider to be quite 'gentlemanly' and 'ladylike'. i believe it's called "the wedding registry". and, when one considers the matter, wedding registries seem to exist for the exact same reasons that escorts' wish lists exist. see, for example: http://www.weddingnetwork.com/reglogin.jsp

    with a certain generosity of spirit, capaciousness of imagination, and literary license, could it not be said that an escort's wish list is a sort of wedding registry?

    after all, in this day and age, marriage is not as permanent as it once was. indeed, it seems that some unions are consummated in a matter of minutes.

    furthermore, in keeping with the new republican regime and the concomitant 'new chastity', it seems that there are growing demands by escorts for unions that last a minimum of 2, 3, 4 hours, or, in extreme cases, a week.

    in light of all this, i hope you will consider extending the kindness and goodwill of which i know you are capable to this custom that assists many and harms none.

    guy
  10. guy catelli

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    by all accounts, <liber, libera, liberum (adj) - free> derives from:

    "Liber, Liber Pater --
    An old Italian fertility god of the countryside, especially of vines. The Romans equated him with Dionysus. His cult partners were Libera and Ceres. With Libera his festival was on March 17." see: http://www.geocities.com/cas111jd/rome/rome_gods4.htm

    by most accounts, <liber, libri (n) - book> is derived from the name of a tree from which the Romans made writing material.

    i know of no etymological reference work that explores the issue further. you must solve the riddle on your own. but, i have already provided a reference to a work that i believe holds the key.
  11. guy catelli

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    test environment

    dear Dawn,

    i have sent an email to mensa u.s.a. informing them, that a Cajun Princess has challenged me to a battle of wits, during which she will be seated upon my face.

    i asked them, inter alia, if they thought that this would constitute a fair and unbiased testing environment.

    if and when they should respond, i will so advise you and the rest of UG.

    always,

    guy
  12. justme

    justme <i>pop and click tainted</i> Vinyl ( is dead )

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    On the topic of manners... it was an early lesson for my siblings and me to never issue unsolicited gift requests. Such behovior was considered very ungentlemanly (or ladylike).

    I wonder why there has been less hubbub over a providor's right to charge as she wishes when clients post that a woman is worth more than she charges.

    liber, libri (n) - book
    liber, libera, liberum (adj) - free

    My proto Indo-European is a bit rusty so I'd be interested in knowing the common root to these two different Latin words.

    [Edited by justme on 03-07-2001 at 03:02 PM]
  13. guy catelli

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    pax tucum, filius meus; etcum spirito tuo.
  14. SkellyChamp

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    holier than thou once agains
  15. guy catelli

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    Re: 3 years on the internet

    dear Miss Witherspoon,

    i've amended some of my remarks above to try to take away some of their own sting (or at least smother the burrs in sorghum). perhaps all of us are a little more strident in defense of another than in self-defense.

    i'd like to provide a little context for my remarks. there are those little boys who are even naughtier than most of us here, and who insist that client candor, no matter how appropriately expressed, will inevitably be suppressed by the dynamic of a coed board. the less they have to twist and distort with their twisted and distorted little minds, the happier i am.

    i'm sure you know where i'm coming from on this ;).

    yours always,

    guy
  16. LIDAWN

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    guy

    when we get to gether i have a great game for you to play.. it is a mensa..
    Quarto.. get it practice cause i am gonna beat you badly..
    as for the other game i still get to beat you lol.. i find you wit and candor charming..
    i find your meandering through all other conventional routes of conversing beautiful and intruiging.. i mostly love that you know an excellent IQ when it sits in your face...... winkss and hugss..
    I too enjoy miss witherspoons commentary and adore her southern web page..
    Ya'll cum back now ya hear..
    HUGZZ DAWN
    http://www.cajuncumfort.com
    yes rates are under tha faq's page.. shhhhhhhh
  17. 3 years on the internet

    Perhaps I'm getting jaded? :D

    (Personally, I don't see such a difference...?)

    A:)
  18. guy catelli

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    dear Miss Witherspoon,

    as is well known, i've always taken great delight in your wonderfully warm and down-to-earth wit and wisdom.

    so, it is to my great surprise that the tenor of your posts above is so unlike 99%+ of those of the lady whom virtually all of us have come to love. i am a bit concerned regarding those readers who are just newly acquainted with you and your writings.

    and, as someone who has done a bit of writing on the subject of 'business models', i am also concerned that publically threatening seemingly amiable consumers with being placed on a secret blacklist if they openly complain about pricing practices or marketing methods is "bad for business".

    the intent may be lighthearted (and, yes, i can read ;)), but i don't have to tell you how these things can get distorted, in other venues, out of all resemblance to their original intent.

    of course, i entirely agree with you that publically criticizing a lady's professional fees or marketing presentation is always bad form.

    unfortunately, i feel it will never be possible to completely avoid there being an overlap between what escorts (justifiably) feel is insulting, and what clients (justifiably) think is the consumer's right to know and make fair comment.

    i feel that the best that can realistically be hoped for is that we all do our best to try to shrink the overlap as much as we can, and let 'the magic of the marketplace' take care of the rest.

    in short, i know that you are more than bright and charming enough to garland the cactuses above with enough yellow roses to take away much or all of their sting.

    btw, congratualtions on texas's finally regaining control of the White House from arkansas, while fending off a stiff (in more sense than one) challenge from tennessee.

    however, don't get too comfortable with the arrangement. four years from now the empire state will have regained its proper perch on pennsylvania avenue. and our nation's 1st first gentleman will be the man from hope.

    yours always,

    guy



    [Edited by guy catelli on 03-07-2001 at 11:09 AM]
  19. guy catelli

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    Re: catelli on language

    i like that ;).
  20. nypete

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    catelli on language

    Hmmm, make that "The Trick of Mensa".