I've often thought about exactly that and here is my thinking: 1. If the place is under surveillance what LE would do is have a camera on the front door and when the guy comes out after the session watch what car he goes to and either stop and question him there or pull him over a few blocks away for a "routine" traffic stop to get an ID for later use. 2. The guy went back to a foreign made car - not an American made unmarked type as used by LE. 3. The day nor time of day was mentioned which is why a brief and vague description of the car was required. 4. I am a bit athletic, constantly getting sore muscles and have been looking for an inexpensive legit place where I can get someone who knows how to massage. Whenever I encounter a situation where more than massage is offered (would you believe that ND runs ads in the "licensed massage" section of the classified's where a phoney license # is given and the ad is not legit?) I am "shocked, simply shocked", ask for my money back and leave. 5. I have a vivid imagination. Everything I wrote about (including what I didn't write about such as when personally flushing evidence down the toilet) was total fiction. It didn't happen and as far as I can tell, writing fiction on a whore board is not illegal (this is important to me as I would never do anything illegal - just the honest citizen type of guy I am.) 6. I have a couple of UG buddies that I trust and converse with (mostly via elclctronic mail). It took a long time before trust was established. There is no one else I can do this with. 7. I get off on knowing that there are others out there and I bump into them from time to time. 8. No one (IMHO) who is totally rational, does the activities posted on this board. The element of risk is part of the high. The thing to do is to keep an element of risk there but also keep the probability of detection low. That said - So hey, guy with the Sliver VW, are you a UG'er?