JAG can no longer be trusted

Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by Rufus Moses, Jul 19, 2001.

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  1. justme

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    Looks like JAG has decided to put the Reader's Digest condensed versions of those threads up.

    (As much as I thought that everything I wrote over there would stay over there... it's really hard for me to work up the rightous indignation to get pissed off about this.)
  2. The Ghost of JAG

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  3. Ozzy

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    so jag has decided to put old discussions back up on the non members board (wooing your provider, gods and monsters etc...). what about the trust and promises they made of keeping it private. at least out of the non paying publics eye. they changed the names slightly but it's pretty easy to make out who's who if you know any of the players. they also edited those threads quite a bit as well.

    is jag really that bad off that they need to dig up our old discussions in order to spark some sort of life over there now?
  4. Rufus Moses

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  5. justme

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    well at least you've got MM working today.

    Ha - remember, the hard working JAG staff definitely earns the exorbinant wage that the twins are always bitching about.

    I feel it germane to note that in my conversations with RM for the last year he has always played the JAG apologist.
  6. Ozzy

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    "I've made several posts to the non-member JAG board, and they keep deleting them"

    well at least you've got MM working today.
  7. Rufus Moses

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    Well, I would never ask anyone else to fight my battles...

    And, again, this sort of is and isn't a big deal with me, so "battle" is overly dramatic...

    But it would be interesting if someone would respond to MM's blanket denial and request for anyone to name a provider they gave access to with a short post.

    "Rufus claims several people have verified JAG mgmt gave access to Amber. What about that?"

    (Amber isn't the only one, just the one known about by the most people.

    I've made several posts to the non-member JAG board, and they keep deleting them.)
  8. Geezy Muldoon

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    Interestingly, I caught a few minutes of Risky Business when I got home last night from work at about 11:30. Tom Cruise's character commented in one scene that I saw that "Trust should be a four letter word."

    As a general statement about the skin trade, I think that about sums it up. Possible motives for providing access? The usual: (1) Trim at discount; (2) Win friends and influence your uncle. "Wouldn't you?", as William S. Burroughs often drily noted with a practiced junky's leer.

    Of course, what is most troubling is that RM was banned and not allowed to defend himself. Never a good sign. Means the gombeen men have taken over and its time to head for the boats and set sail for America, or at least the notion of America which is precious.

    Might check in six months under an assumed name just to check out the reviews to see whether they have improved and whether Mr. P has finally figured out why he likes crying prostitutes and whether Aristotle has finally postulated the last final theorem I need to understand the skin trade.

    Then cancel the credit card authorization after one day.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 07-20-2001 at 10:49 AM]
  9. Rufus Moses

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    I know of about a dozen or more providers with JAG access...which is bad enough.

    But I think providers getting JAG access via JAG mgmt. is a whole other level of corruption.

    Amber got access from JAG mgmt. That is solid via several independent verifications. The fact that JAG mgmt says this never happens means they can't be trusted even now.
  10. robnotbob

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    RM

    I know Amber was given JAG access (she told me herself) but I don't remember if she told me by whom.

    [Edited by robnotbob on 07-20-2001 at 09:50 AM]
  11. Ozzy

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    RM....

    it's a shame valerie's no longer with us here at UG......


    but i've heard from one or two providers who make those claims.


    i also know of at least 10 more who were granted access by their clients.......so theres lots of fingers that should be pointed in many different directions.
  12. Rufus Moses

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    Without going into details, one provider definitely given access to JAG by the management there was Amber of Houston. Both sides may now deny it, but of course they would. Ask around. There are other JAG members who know.

    -Rufus
  13. wsb

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    Very bad business. Sorry this had to happen RM. What a shame.

    --WSB
  14. Ozzy

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    oh yeah.....

    thats the bomb i was talking about earlier tonite.
  15. Ozzy

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    fletch....

    hello, where ya been?
  16. fletch

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    I can confirm that MM's post is a damnable lie. Anyone who knows Rufus knows that he always makes his death threats in writing and they are usually accompanied by an animal carcass of some sort.



    [Edited by fletch on 07-20-2001 at 01:54 AM]
  17. ew

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    Soon, for all intents and purposes this will be JAG '99. Well, every escort I've seen lately has mentioned JAG. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to get in now, just get instant access.
  18. Rufus Moses

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    Some of you may know that I, Rufus Moses, am a former operator of JAG. I am MadChaos #2. The current MadMach, who works for MadChaos #4, immediately banned me from the site when I made public the fact they have violated the trust of the membership by giving providers access ... knowingly and repeatedly.

    They gave me no chance to substantiate my claim. They didn't mention that they had promised me I would be a member forever when I have them the keys. I think their need to shut me up, and their willingness to break a promise about my membership tends to confirm my allegation.

    I have no idea whether "I and MadChaos really know what person he is" is meant as a threat, or whether "police was called upon as well as death threats" is a lie or a mistake. It certainly isn't true...I know of *no* police activity and I know of *no* death threats related to *any* of my JAG activity ever. He certainly seems to want to smear me. He wants to imply I am a threat to peoples safety.

    My only motive in making these posts is that I think JAG has changed so much that the members deserve to know about it. I don't operate any other boards or have any financial or other ties that would constitute a conflict of interest.

    Frankly, this whole whoreboard thing is a tiny part of my life...so I sort of don't give a damn anyway.

    I would have been happy to discuss this in a sane and open way on the board, but apparently MM found such a discussion with me so dangerous he cut me off. And then libeled me. Many would take such behavior as a signed confession.

    My post and the deceptive responses from JAG management follow...does it seem to you like they have something to hide?


    By Rufus Moses on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 05:20 pm:

    The quality of the reviews and conversation may still be better than most, but the days when JAG could be trusted are over. IMHO you shouldn't post anything here you wouldn't be willing to post on TBD or UG.

    Here is another reason to not think of JAG as an organization of trusted members.

    We all know that providers have sneaked into JAG. And we know that some members have helped providers get JAG access. That is bad enough.

    But having spoken to many people about this I've learned that the current JAG management has knowingly and intentionally given access to various providers.

    I don't know why they've done it, but it isn't an isolated incident. A number of providers have been given JAG access by JAG management over a period of time.

    At one time I was in daily contact with the current MC, and considered him a cyber friend. This betrayal of trust, not just mine but everyone's, is really sad.



    By MadMach on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:26 pm:

    I am officially banning Rufus Moses from JAG. We will be more than happy to answer any questions regarding this unfounded rumor posted by Rufus Moses.

    If anyone can post names of providers I or MadChaos supposedly gave an access to, we will be happy answer any questions.

    Out of respect for a former MadChaos, we will not discuss his motive as to why he posted this. We will also refrain from any personal attacks on him. Nor we will discuss what kind of person he truly was as I and MadChaos really know what person he is.

    MadMach



    By MadMach on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 06:33 pm:

    I am not sure whether I shoud post this or not. However, for the safety of JAG members, I feel obligated to post the following fact:

    He and #3 MadChaos went into such a furious fight and disagreement that police was called upon as well as death threats were exchanged between these two people.

    MadMach