Korea launches it's missile......

Discussion in 'Politics and Religion' started by Ozzy, Jul 4, 2006.

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  1. its_mousey

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    He's considered a "bloodthirsty war monger" because he launched an unprovoked invasion and occupation of a country that had nothing to do w/the Sept. 11 attacks (no credibile Saddam-Al Qaeda link) nor had any capability to harm the U.S. (no WMDs). As a direct result thereof, our capability to attack and destroy terrorism elsewhere (notably in Afghanistan) has been seriously compromised.

    As for Bush being "meek" and "crawling" back to the negotiation table - I don't know if that's an accurate statement since he has refused to conduct direct talks w/NK. However, if Bush is coming back to the negotiations table, then he should be commended not criticized. If he really did that, then that would take alot of balls to swallow your pride (re: that whole bullshit about "Axis of Evil") which is a hallmark of a true leader.

    As for his sexual practices (or lack thereof), it's simply nobody's business unless it is violative of the law (i.e., pedophilia and non-consensual sex).

    *Squeak!*
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  2. Best1

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    Flawlessly logical. Nobody can argue against it.
  3. Mr. User Name

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    Exquisitely stated !
    As you ususlly do.
  4. drobbins

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    Waru you must have your head up your ass, oddfellow is completely right.
  5. ForFun

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    The man express honest opinions and he is "stupid". Yea Right.
  6. Waru

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    you hold the distinction of being the stupidest moron to ever figure out tcp.
  7. Rokin

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    Of course he would be a fool to attack N Korea and he is not meek by not doing so.
    The real issue is that he has made himself and this country look idiotic and weak to the rest of the world because he attacked Iraq for having WMD's, and now won't/can't attack Iran or N Korea, despite the fact that they have or are making WMD's. It clearly demonstrates that his intial decision to attack Iraq was reckless and mistaken.
  8. oddfellow4870

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    Yes ... if he attacks, he's a bloodthirsty war monger

    If he doesn't, he's meek and he "crawls" a lot

    If he attacks one country, complain that he has the wrong target

    If he doesn't cheat on his wife, hint that he's a self righteous maniac who wants to establish a theocracy.....


    The very soul of opposition politics. Lots of complaints. No ideas.
  9. Duckman

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    I am asking this as a point of clarification on your comments...Do you think the US should start a war against NK?
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  10. curious

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    PDRK joins the Nuclear Club?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009...KDTLSf9xg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

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    North Korea says nuclear test successful By BURT HERMAN, Associated Press Writer
    12 minutes ago



    North Korea said Monday it has performed its first-ever nuclear weapons test, setting off an underground blast in defiance of international warnings and intense diplomatic activity aimed at heading off such a move.

    The North Korean statement said there was no radioactive leakage from the test site.

    An official at South Korea's seismic monitoring center confirmed a magnitude-3.6 tremor felt at the time North Korea said it conducted the test was not a natural occurrence. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition his name not be used, because he was not authorized to talk about the sensitive information to the media.

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said that information still needs to collected and analyzed to determine whether North Korea truly conducted its first nuclear test.

    U.S. and South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the report.

    South Korea's Defense Ministry said the alert level of the military had been raised in response to the claimed nuclear test.

    The North said last week it would conduct a test, sparking regional concern and frantic diplomatic efforts aimed at dissuading Pyongyang from such a move. North Korea has long claimed to have nuclear weapons, but had never before performed a known test to prove its arsenal.

    The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the underground test was performed successfully.

    "It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the ... people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," the KCNA statement said.

    "It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

    South Korean intelligence officials said the seismic wave had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency. It said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city on the northeast coast, citing defense officials.

    North Korean scientists "successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions," the KCNA report said, adding this was "a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."

    The U.S. Geological Survey said it had detected no seismic activity in North Korea, although it was not clear whether a blast would be strong enough for its sensors.

    On Sunday night, U.S. government officials said a wide range of agencies were looking into the report of the nuclear test, which officials were taking seriously.

    South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun has convened a meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported, and intelligence over the test has been exchanged between concerned countries.

    Kyodo News agency reported that the Japanese government has set up a taskforce in response to reports of the test.

    The North has refused for a year to attend international talks aimed at persuading it to disarm. The country pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 2003 after U.S. officials accused it of a secret nuclear program, allegedly violating an earlier nuclear pact between Washington and Pyongyang.

    Speculation over a possible North Korean test arose earlier this year after U.S. and Japanese reports cited suspicious activity at a suspected underground test site.
  11. lamont5123

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    Al,

    Your view is probably acceptable - in the United States.

    But in Asia, I doubt anyone agrees with it.

    China is banking on the U.S. being too timid to engage in a full scale shooting war.

    More importantly, America's corporations increasingly depend upon China for cheap labor and cheap source goods.

    I would not call China a loser. And Kim Jong Il has already won.

    Bush has no plans to invade North Korea and has crawled meekly back to the negotiating table.

    And I doubt very much anyone thinks less of Jong because of a silly animated movie. Except the people who bought the movie on DVD.
  12. Al Kikuras

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    BLOG Rebuttle:

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    With the end of North Korea's series of missile tests, who won and who lost, given what happened? The answers to this question might be somewhat surprising in one sense, but obvious in another. The seven missile launches, the most critical being the Taepo-Dong 2 missile that failed within a minute of launching, will have consequences.

    Winners:

    The United States – By launching seven missiles, North Korea has given the United States a lot more freedom in terms of acting decisively than it had earlier. This is largely due to the fact that the untrustworthiness of Kim Jong-Il in any form of negotiation, and the country's provocative behavior, has been made pretty obvious. The failure of the Taepo-Dong 2 missile also shows that the United States still has time to mount pressure on North Korea through various avenues (largely economic, diplomatic, and political arenas) while increasing American missile defenses. Political opposition to missile defense will decline as a result of the attempted launch of the Taepo-Dong 2, which was reportedly aimed at Hawaiian waters.

    Japan – If the United States has regained some freedom, Japan has gained a lot, both in the international arena, as well as domestic politics. For the first time since 1945, Japan is facing a credible threat to its home territory. The massive tests by North Korea have reinforces the perception that started to gel after the 1998 test flight ( in which a missile flew over Japan). Japan has traditionally limited its defense spending to one percent of GDP. Like America, Japan sees itself as having time. The Japanese-American alliance will get stronger and closer.

    Taiwan – The strengthening American-Japanese alliance will benefit Taiwan. America and Japan have already declared Taiwan to be an area where they have already agreed to pursue the same objectives with Taiwan. The Americans are going to assist Japan with a missile defense system. As a result, Japan is going to owe the United States a favor – and that could redound to Taiwan's benefit if things with China go hot. One of the big-ticket items in the 2001 package of military assistance the United States promised Taiwan was eight modern diesel-electric submarines. America doesn't build modern diesel-electric submarines, but Japan does.

    Losers:

    North Korea – If Kim Jong-Il was a laughingstock after the 2004 release of the movie " Team America: World Police" and the song "I'm So Lonely", he's definitely become a major laughingstock with the failure of the Taepo-Dong 2. Already, crude jokes featuring a double entendre about Kim Jong-Il are circulating around the internet. Also, there are going to be questions about the quality of North Korean missiles – and that's probably North Korea's biggest – and most legitimate – export product.

    South Korea – The nonchalance and neglect of the situation with regards to North Korea is now looking like a bad idea. The anti-American attitudes are going to result in a quicker re-deployment of American forces away from the DMZ.

    China – Not quite an obvious loser, but they have lost big-time. China now appears to have no ability or inclination to control North Korea, which is a blow to its diplomatic and political prestige. This is also going to send relations with the U.S. into a bit of a tailspin. But the not-so-obvious penalty is the fact that America and Japan are growing closer. China now faces the prospect of not just facing the Seventh Fleet should the situation with Taiwan degenerate into a war, but the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force as well. China might have an outside chance against one of those maritime forces, but against both, the chances are virtually zero.

    Actions and events often have consequences, which often can be far-reaching and in some cases, unexpected. The North Korean tests are one event that will have consequences that ripple beyond the Korean Peninsula
  13. lamont5123

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    DaddyCool,

    You need to learn to read.

    I said Beijing had become so powerful that it forced the Bush administration into allowing the People's Republic of China to be called the Republic of China during a White House reception.

    Do you get it now?

    It is proof of my assertion that the People's Republic has so intimidated the U.S., that not only has it taken Taiwan's seat in the U.N., it has now taken its name for diplomatic purposes.

    The Peoples Republic is still the People's Republic. But during Hu's visit, it wanted to be called the Republic of China.

    And it got its way because the Bushies rolled over.
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  14. Daddycool

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    I don't use Wikipedia either. That is from the Government Information office of TAIWAN. That is a link directly to thier page.

    And just to clear things up you said in a few posts that " I say the the island democracy calls itself "The Republic of Taiwan.""

    So do not make it now that you have said that Taiwan calls itself the Republic of China because that is not what you said.

    Go see posts 71, 67 and 65 where you called Tawain not the republic of china but the Republic of Taiwan.

    You were proven wrong and cannot admit it. Debate over.
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  15. lamont5123

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    Daddycool,

    You were wrong. Period.

    You banked your entire rebuttal on a silly notion that I would not know what a country calls itself.

    I don't use Wikipedia.

    Taiwan still bills itself as The Republic of China.
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  16. Daddycool

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    First point.... that some guy was not just some guy but Lee Teng-hui was president of Taiwan from 1988 to 2000. I think he knew a little about the situation.

    You want to paste links here is one for you: The Governemnt information office calls it self ........Republic of China (Taiwan).
    http://www.gio*****.tw/
    Best viewed with IE 4.0 or higher at 800 x 600 resolution.
    Copyright © 2006 Government Information Office, Republic of China (Taiwan)
    2 Tianjin St. Taipei, 100, Taiwan, R.O.C. | Service Telephone Number

    Again, stop googling things and reading things just on the surface and go read a history book or the Taipei times for all current information.

    Nice effort though.
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  17. Daddycool

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    Acutally I didn't even respond to this becuase you still have not answered my questions. And I said go look up why Hong Kong changed hands. You keep saying bullied and that is snimply not true.
  18. lamont5123

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    I couldn't get the link to work and didn't really want to waste a lot of time figuring out why.

    The reason for the mention of the national name is because I was taken to task (and I'm being charitable here) by someone who thinks I have the name of Taiwan wrong.
  19. Ozzy

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    I just want to add that I don't care what Taiwan calls itself. Fuck, I don't even know what they're official name is or where it's recognized. I just think if you're going to waste every ones time clicking on a dead link and then having to edit the damn thing to get it right..... At least let it say what you quoted it said..... my good man.
  20. Ozzy

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    I'm confused.


    ah, ok.

    But when I went to that site and scrolled down to the very bottom I saw this...


    Copyright © 2006
    Government Information Office, Republic of China (Taiwan)