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Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by buddyyy, Dec 8, 2001.

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  1. buddyyy

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    That is what I'm going to do.

    I am just interested in any information about good providers that prefer not to have reviews posted.
  2. ew

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    Just keep posting what you feel comfortable with. If people don't like it then they can choose not to take you up on the tip, their loss.
  3. buddyyy

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    I Can See This Isn't Going To Work

    But if anyone is aware of any real good, under the radar providers, if you send me information about them I promise I won't post anything about them. <gg> & <ng>
  4. ew

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    Enjoying a women's company is certainly a part of my life. It is extremely rare that I say something simply to curry favor, if I say something I mean it. I guess that's why I don't feel I engage in fluffballs.

    Hey, I can joke around with them just fine but I am unable to chuck out gratuitous comments because I feel it is so transparent.
    Maybe sex is a bigger deal to you than it is to me, if so then perhaps that's why you have been so intrigued by what drives the client end of the business. To me sex is a purely physical and it passes quickly. Good sex is important, but for me it isn't the only thing. So I guess it is more than just sex for me. Even if you fucked my brains out and made me believe you really enjoyed it, that won't have me coming back if I can't speak to you and get a real response from you. If she isn't willing to converse on that level that's okay, but I won't be back. How do I choose? Sex first. Why do I come back? Other issues. Overall importance of sex, not that high.

    So I guess I would not be a Episodes/Julies/streetwalkin' ho kind of guy. This also rules out providers who have langauge barriers.

    Buddyyy, my head hurts. Too complicated. Webscorts should know what they are getting into when they are on the web. Your idea would work if everyone was willing to play along. This won't happen. Reviews will always pop up on JAG, TBD, *** and there is nothing that your arrangement can do about that. So the escort will still have information that she doesn't want in the general public out there. And escorts have been known to "punish" those that have explicit reviews of them. Yeah, the reviews are for getting a better value, making an informed consumer decision. I think they are really for guys saying what a stud they are, look at what I did, so you'll never be able to stop those.

    In terms of reviews, does it matter if the escorts know? Ask Candide what she thinks. If she was the hot girl on JAG and eveyone was discussing what she does or doesn't do, there is nothing that she can do about it other than blackball the reviewer if she can figure out who it is. I think it would just bother the shit out of them. I think a lot of escorts that have been in the biz for a bit could care less what is written about them. They know they can't do anything about the reviews. (Although on *** and TBD they can have the removed or altered)Clients insist on discussing the latest reviews with them though, so for many that is how they know.
  5. justlooking

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    Which I thought was rather a nice touch.
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  6. justlooking

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    Also to add the subject line.
  7. Slinky Bender

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    Let me guess..........the edit was to have two perfect lines of it. You're soooooooooo anal.
  8. Crazyphingers

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    justlooking you should see someone about that sutter...


    seriously as a newbie here, I cannot say how pleased I am with the information that can be found on this board..

    There s no real reason to make it any more private or exclusive then it is. There are always the back channels if you wish to speak privately to people you trust about certain issues,

    That being said this board is one of the only true resources to a novice like me trying to get quality info so my early forays into the hobby are as enjoyable as possible.
  9. justlooking

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    DITTO

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  10. i hate this type of shit. so somebody somewhere needs to have a list of the hookers i see? to what end? don't some of us here feel a bit uneasy whenever a bust occurs and one must wonder if one's name is in some "little black book." i feel the same way about the grass delivery services. this just goes back to the elitist crap of "i'm the biggest whoremonger here" attitude that some seem to have...
  11. buddyyy

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    I agree with many when they say that this is a difficult problem because of all of the different boards and alternative sources of information that are going to exist regardless of what any board may decide to do. Nor do I think that having a customer only board is going to be of any benefit at all because it is unrealistic to think that the ladies will not know, at least, they exist, and imagine that they are being discussed, or most likely be able to read them directly, one way or another.

    Nor is it clear that for the majority of the providers that the fact that they are going to be reviewed is major deterrence to continuing to offer their services.

    My interest is in creating an environment somewhere between totally public and completely under the radar.

    Some elements might include:

    · Restricted to approved members only.

    · Members would include providers and clients.

    · The membership process could include some type of references from at least one provider and one client, as well as information to ensure that the person does not represent LE.

    · Client members would agree to limit the type (if any depending on the preferences of the particular provider) of information they post about providers who participate in this forum, not only in this forum, but in any other forum.

    · Guidelines for the discussion of the client’s experiences with the providers that is developed with a lot of input from the providers.

    This arrangement would not protect the provider from information being posted about them by clients they had agreed to see who were not a member of this group, and therefore had not agreed to limit the type of information communicated on other forums.

    Nor might it provide the clients with the specific type of information they might want before setting up a date but it would seem that a call or e-mail from a client member to a provider member would result in the open exchange of this information.

    These are only initial rough thoughts and obviously need to be refined. Does it sound like something that might be of interest though?

    I also want to make clear that my interest in something like this is to enable me to meet women who I otherwise might not. I am not thinking about this as a commercial venture. If this is something that seems to have potential it is something that I would think this board should have the first right to implement.
  12. Candide

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    ew - I get ya. I know what you mean but I didn't feel any fluffballery. You were just answering my question. And thank you - maybe that is what makes you sense fluffballery? As if you are cooperating? But you aren't. You are just communicating - which makes experience more worthwhile for all of us.

    I do not understand though how you can avoid feeling that you are engaging in fluffballery if you enjoy a woman's company (any female - pro or non pro) and let that show. If you enjoy your life isn't enjoying the company of a woman part of that? Even if it is just sex, I always thought sex was a big deal no matter how hard we try to break it down to just business.
  13. skagen

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    Its hard to see how these things can both be satisfied. Despite all the fluff, flirting and romantic stuff, this so called "hobby" is a business. Unlike dating there is no action here without the exchange of cash (or quid pro quos intened to generate cash).

    Of course the provider would prefer that each customer thinks that they are getting more than other customers. This helps to maximize revenue and customer rentention. Furthermore this business is actually one that we consider to be very intimate in real life. In other words transparency is not in the best interests of the individual supplier/provider.

    The consumer/John, wants to know what they're getting for their money. In that sense intimate details actually matter a lot. Most of of can get sex without paying. What you are paying for is for a women who looks a certain way to do certain things to you. Also details allow each customer to know what the most is that a supplier will provide and the lowest possible price that they will take. So without details, the John is at a disadvantage relative to providers. Without details, we inevitable end up with TBD-esque fluff.

    If you try to do a customers-only board, providers will get in anyway. Better for all the info to be public and we know that each other are present when we say it. That way reviewers can are responsible for their words and providers are responsible for their actions. I personally wouldn't want to see anyone who doesn't want me to review them.
  14. ew

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    Fluffballs just seem strange, I mean who needs to flirt here? I know that it is part of the dance that some people enjoy greatly and I do feel that fluffballs/flirting is dishonest, but I don't begrude it to anyone. I commented simply because it was WSB who said it which I got a kick out out of.

    It's clear that Fluffballs are lobbed up there for more mercenary puposes though. I am not really the fluffball type. It is rare (i.e. never) I have anything more than an informational email or phone call before I see someone.

    The internet presence "thingy" - just less to deal with. I'm not sure how many times I have addressed distaff members of this board, but it isn't very much. Most people (I hope) are aware of the artificial nature of this biz and I choose not to contribute to my self-delusion. Do you remember how I said I like to delude myself a bit? That extends to session time only, I expect nothing more than that.

    I almost feel like I'm engaging in fluffball-ery now...was that a fluffball? Or that?
  15. Candide

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    ew - WSB's personality does not lend itself too easily to creampuff-isms. Considering the fact that WSB is every honest and sticks to the facts, a creampuff (fluffball) from him may stick out more then anyone else's. I found it a welcome change to read WSB's creampuff(s) to K.S. Did that really bother you? I didn't see it so much as a fluffball as two people flirting, (a fluffball or creampuff conveys some hidden agenda to curry favor I think? While flirting is behavior which is enjoyable for it's own sake? What are your thoughts on this?)

    It occurrs to me that you have never sent any creampuffs to any providers who post. You have shown a creampuff tendency only in the case of a provider who does not post on any board. Is it a coincidence that you like providers who have no internet presence? I am curious because I find you to be an intelligent person. Do you dislike creampuffs because you find them dishonest? Do you find providers who stay off the boards more honest? This is a serious inquiry. You don't have to answer if you don't want to, however.
  16. Ozzy

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    wsb throws a creampuff (fluffball)?


    now thats news.
  17. ew

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    Many, if not most women feel this way, but it is a nature of the business and I'm sure that April knows that. I'm sure that given a choice of whether to have reviews or not, she would put up with reviews over having no exposure at all. Her personal availability is just that, it is up to her. Just because she doesn't say that I'm available explicitly doesn't mean she not open to sessions. I think this is a reasonable reading of her online playful personna. If I'm wrong and she isn't available at all then her more than playful banter is a bit misleading (although very entertaining).

    You're asking for some kind of backchannel exchange which is fine for what it is. I think many are too lazy to go that route. At any rate it has been brought up many times before that the reviews will still be the same at the least and more graphic probably. People will use this route of informaton if they are inclined to anyway, the difference is the woman will have no idea who is saying what about her. She will have to descend into believing X over Y if she wants to track down rumors. And let's not forget the purpose of escorts being on the board is to advertise their biz so the exposure is sought.

    Backchanneling is fraught with its own problem anyway. There is a high noise level. Many use it as a way to gain information about what other clients are saying to use it as a lever to curry favor with escorts (big surprise there).

    Lately, with WSB's creampuff to K.S., Phantom's creampuff review thread, and this thread it seems that we are moving inexorably to TBD-sensibilities. I am not advocating explicit reviews. They actually make me somewhat uncomfortable and have no upside for the original poster. If you choose to be an internet-based escort or agency you have to take the good with the bad. Good: exposure. Bad: exposure. I think that April worked through many of these issues when she first appeared on the board. She gives accurate information and only adds to the discusson if she feels an inaccuracy mentioned.
  18. justlooking

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    Yeah. You could have a board where only consumers are permitted. Where the board administrators carefully monitor who's getting access to make sure that only consumers, and not the supply side, gets in. Optimally, the supply side wouldn't even know about the existence of the board. Members would never even mention it to them.

    Then, consumers could exchange information freely and in detail, without having to worry about offending anybody.

    Funnily enough, people once thought that there was a board like that. But, of course, such a thing could never exist in actuality.
  19. buddyyy

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    These comments by April (http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2557&perpage=30&pagenumber=2 12/06/2001 9:44 PM) raised a question for me that I think is worth considering

    Reviews can be very helpful to hobbyists. They enable us to determine the specific types of experiences we can expect to have with a particular provider (something that it is often difficult for the client and escort to discuss prior to the encounter because of the legal issues involved). They also enable the identification of those companions who are interested in client satisfaction and those who are not.

    However, the feelings about reviews are not hers alone. Nor are they only held by women who are particularly concerned that they would get poor reviews (which clearly is not a factor behind April's dislike for them). I’ve heard a similar feelings about reviews expressed to me, in private, by some very talented, professional women, including some known and held in high regard by this community. For whatever reason this dislike has not caused those ladies to totally withdraw, although in some cases it clearly might.

    In this case, public scrutiny has caused April to make herself much less available. This based on the quality of her posts and her picture I am inclined to think of as a personal loss. (Although April - hope springs eternal and while I can't speak for Thorn, I know that at least I am still trying to figure out how to become one of the chosen.)

    Of course, these women are going to be denied the revenue that might be associated with professional life, but from my perspective, that is not the problem. My selfish concern is that I am going to miss the opportunity of being with them.

    So I wonder if people have thoughts concerning ways in which we might be able to meet the need for the exchange of information, without undermining the objective which that exchange is intended to further, providing the best possible experiences for the people involved?