Need some help for Nicole Rio!

Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by Carl M, May 16, 2001.

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  1. Othello

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    littleguy:

    The GFE (girlfriend experience) has been more than a transient experience for me. While others may have considered it to mean, "deep French kissing", I have always taken the term literally. I am a "searcher" in the quest for that "special moment" or that "unique experience". My challenge is to achieve this with whomever I happen to be with. I have been fairly lucky. I have had the good fortune to encounter a good number of women (perhaps the stars were properly configured…) that have provided fairly good conversation as well as exceptional intimacy. They have had enough of an impact to have me consider "retiring" from the sport and take them on as mistresses. Fortunately, the "big head's" logic prevailed over the "little head's" lusting. To me, the girlfriend experience has to be lingering. I may have spent a fairly brief period of time with the woman but the effect has to last for a couple of weeks. Sometimes it warrants a second visit to convince me that the first time wasn't just a fluke.

    Regarding the subject of "descriptive reviews", I tend to prefer the "Erotic Review" format. Access aside, it provides a clear idea of what services one could expect.

    Peace,

    "Othello"
  2. littleguy

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    othello,

    Most of what you said is covered and, I think, understood by experienced hobbyists, as YMMV.

    The beauty factor is about as subjective as you can possibly get, therefore, unless I can see a good picture, I mostly ignore such descriptions.

    GFE is next. When I (re)started hobbying about 2 years ago I understood, and apparently most hobbyists meant, Deep French (Girlfriend-like) Kissing when they said GFE. Over these last 2 years and many discussions of GFE on various boards the description has become vague at the very least; downright misleading at the other end. On another board a suggestion was made to call what USED TO BE GFE by the term DFK. There's no misunderstanding the meaning of DFK.

    Also, the more descriptive reviews are vis-a-vis services provided the less chance of a session that does not meet our expectations.
  3. thelastone

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    Re: My 2 cents (a little levity...) (also posted to TBD/NY)

    just out of curiosity, did you post the reviews?

    Sorry, I don't really read TBD. I'm still trying to contribute on this one! :D

    last
  4. Carl M

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    Hey Frogman!

    I'll take Veal Marsala with a side order of Fusili- LOL!!
  5. frog

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    Re: My 2 cents (a little levity...) (also posted to TBD/NY)

    is it the farmer? are you a sheep?

    Anyhow, it matters to me, though I would never disparage anyone's affinity for veal...

    The real point is that lionsflame has a right (an obligation?) to post what I thought was a pretty fair review.

    [Edited by frog on 05-18-2001 at 12:11 PM]
  6. Carl M

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    I Like your synopsis!

    Othello, very amusing especially at the end!!
  7. Othello

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    My 2 cents (a little levity...) (also posted to TBD/NY)

    Was I "late" to the party? I had planned to post reviews on my last couple of visits to Nicole Rio's (re: Margo and Elaine) when I happened to have read all of this "controversy" on the TBD board over comparative reviews. It really is a complex issue. First, there is the matter of defining the "girlfriend" experience. There is always the "age" and "beauty" issue. There is the hygiene or cleanliness issue. More recently, there seems to be a "language" issue. I'm not talking about one's ability to speak "French", "Greek", or "Russian". I am referring to the art of simply communicating.

    I'd like to first deal with the issue of "establishment cleanliness" or general condition. I recall my first visit to Nicole's. The place was still in the midst of reconstruction-new sheetrock, dusty carpets… I'm not going to comment on those beds other than to say that they are great for testing my acrobatic and balancing ability. I've gotten used to them primarily because I've had some great times on them. I will say that during each subsequent visit, I have continually noticed improvements. Cleanliness or neatness has never been a concern for me at Nicole Rio's. She is a small businesswoman whom I believe should be commended for what she has been able to do in such a confined space.

    I'd like to preface what I'm about to discuss by saying that I like Latin women. I'm considering both Spanish and Portuguese lessons. I also like Asian women (not "Orientals"), Europeans, Southern women, West coast women, Caribbean women, "phat" women and an occasional anorexic. I really shouldn't be that specific because I am attracted to the entire female species. I have always been able to communicate regardless of language barriers. In one's quest for transitory companionship, the depth of conversation is tertiary and superficial at best. The real communication is that intense look into each other's eyes, those legs entwined around your back and that "gripping" sensation! It's the afterthought. Do you just get up after you've done the deed or do you linger, squeeze her hand, and kiss her on the forehead? Those gestures transcend any form of verbal communication.

    Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. I have paid "big" dollars for gorgeous mediocre experiences and "little" dollars for memories that will last a life time. To associate "price" with a certain beauty standard really doesn't get you very far. It's really about marketing and market segmenting. If you like driving a Mercedes, why would one compare it to a Toyota? While the Mercedes suggests certain panache, the Toyota gets better mileage and is easier to service. They will both get you to your destination. Did I mention that I liked driving all types of cars?

    I'd like to close by commenting on the "age" issue. If a woman advertises that she's in her twenties and she is really in her forties, that's "fraud". If she's in her thirties, she's just being a woman. What is the problem? Did I mention that I particularly liked "vintage" cars?

    To sum up, provider comparisons are a complex issue. The simple reviews do much more harm than good in this community when we try to apply one standard to such a diverse group of ladies.

    Consider this: you're asleep in a barn in total darkness. You awaken to this great sensation on your genitals. Is it the farmer's daughter? Is it the farmer's prize heifer? Does it really matter if you can get seconds? …Just my 2 cents!

    Peace!

    "Othello"

    [Edited by Othello on 05-18-2001 at 10:55 AM]
  8. Ozzy

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    Big difference between a sincere **recommendation** from a client and [compensated?] promotion


    then i should take that back....i've NEVER shilled.
  9. RoosterC74

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    WSB,

    I am a bit confused, every post that I appear to read that you do is critical of someone or something that they do. I like to share both the negatives and positives of experiences that I have encountered. Have you reviewed or recommended anyone lately? Or is everything just negative?
  10. wsb

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    Re: "some new or UTR indies just need to get the word out first. a few that i've shilled for are now household names on these boards......charley is one great example."

    Big difference between a sincere **recommendation** from a client and [compensated?] promotion.

    Re: "as for shilling for an agency or an incall establishment......thats what advertizing is for."

    I agree. Nothing wrong with an advertisement. I don't think anyone likes to be deceived though, even if the end-result is that the experience itself is decent.

    --WSB
  11. billy01866

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    why is it if you come to the aid of someone or some establishment who has been good to you and treated you well, you are a fucking shill? how many people know someone who owns a business and leads customers to that person's business so they can make money? that is perfectly accpeptable but not in this case of something illicit? word of mouth. yeah that's the ticket.
  12. Ozzy

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    some new or UTR indies just need to get the word out first. a few that i've shilled for are now household names on these boards......charley is one great example.

    as for shilling for an agency or an incall establishment......thats what advertizing is for.




    slinky.....looks like you've made the big time.

    [Edited by Ozzy on 05-17-2001 at 03:52 PM]
  13. NY Mod for TBD

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    NY TBD Policies

    All posts are welcome on NY TBD - hopefully they will not always be a brand new registrant, no email addy and a one time post. Or worse yet, a case of multiple names. As long as there are not 'flames and rudeness' the posts will stay. If there is a seemingly endless run of spam (as in a group of unknowns all of a sudden mysteriously arriving with buckets of praises) - then they will be removed. The policy of the board will be to allow 'different viewpoints' without the poster having to endure a torrential outpouring of abuse.
  14. wsb

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    Lionflame's post was excellent and I'm glad TBD's NY Mod supported him and encouraged him to continue to post. A little **honesty** is exactly what the NY escort scene needs - far too much self-promotion and BS going on. This is a positive development for any john who uses the net as a medium to identify providers. I also though his reply to CarlM's attempt at damage control was very well-reasoned and courteous.

    The thing that always puzzles me about the places/providers who use shills like CarlM attract business, is if these places/providers are all they are touted to be, then why do they need a shills in the first place???

    --WSB
  15. Bill Furniture

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    While I've heard good things about the performance of the girls at Nicole Rio's, I also have heard alot of complaints about the accomodations and the language barriers with the foreign ladies. The post on TBD included a number of reviews, and the poster may have been comparing the other girls with Sasha. She's a tough one to be compared to.

    There have been girls around my old block in The Bronx who give BBBJTC, but I wouldn't rank them along side of Sasha or LI's top ladies.

    [Edited by Bill Furniture on 05-16-2001 at 09:42 PM]
  16. RoosterC74

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    Response to Carl

    Carl,

    After all of the recent stuff about Nicole's, I did choose to post something positive about her place. I have been treated quite well at Nicole's by Lauren, and the other girls. They have also always steered me in the correct direction.

    [Edited by RoosterC74 on 05-16-2001 at 07:29 PM]
  17. fishfry

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    Carl,

    Unfortunately I was bait-and-switched there and consider the place average at best.

    I don't go out of my way to knock a place I mostly I don't talk about it. But I was glad to find that I'm not the only person who doesn't rave about the place.

    To me a GFE involves a degree of interpersonal relating that can't happen if the person doesn't speak a word of English.

    And just because somebody delivers a bbbj, that does not automatically make her a superlative provider.

    Carl, why not just let people post their opinions? Some people think NR is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and others don't.

    If a lot of guys like a session on a narrow massage table given by a women with whom they can't communicate, that's cool by me. And Lauren is very nice. But if you are looking for everybody in the world to agree that NR is wonderful, you just can't do that. NR is a mediocre place.
  18. Carl M

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