A More Reasonable Post Katman, first of all let me commend you on a more enlightened, thoughtful, non confrontational and overall reasonable post. You have given me back a little of the respect that I formerly held for you. That does not necessarily mean that I totally agree with everything you say, only that now, just maybe, we can discuss differences like adults and not like children having a school yard brawl. Whether you want to admit it or not, the kitten in question would never have involved either with this post or the one on the other board unless you had first jumped in with all four paws with your "hypothetical" post there or the above abusive post here. If you read all my threads here, I admitted that the question was based on an incident between two parties that I considered friends. I also stated that I was not going to reveal any more information about either of them other than that. That didn't seem to be a problem with anybody here. They just answered my questions as best they could based on what I had asked and the rather poor way that I had asked it. In fact, the post on this board was going just the way I had hoped it would go on the other board. But it never had a chance on the other board because it was taken over by personal attacks on me by the likes of you and AJ and his alias friend For The Record. Here at least I had received several rather enlightened answers to my question. Even though they did not touch down to the level of insignificance with regard to what first put the question in my mind, I was able and happy to receive some very sage general comments and feedback. Your jumping in again on this issue, calling me a liar and telling me that I have no honor and threatening to post certain information if I didn't have the courage to do it on my own was totally uncalled for. In my eyes, you placed yourself on the same level as that idiot AJ, and I think you know how I feel about him. IMHO, I don't believe our kitten friend had the s*it scared out of her by the other person or his perceived threats. She is far too smart and nice a person with her feet planted firmly on the ground and in reality to be intimidated or scared by anyone at that level. I do, however, think she was hurt and angered by what she perceived that the other person had said to her and felt like he was trying to take advantage of her through threat and/or intimidation. That, of course, is only a supposition on my part, because I cannot yet "mind meld" and read the minds of others like my cerebral hero Mr. Spock. What I do personally believe, however, is that there was an honest, albeit unenlightened, mistake made by one individual which was over reacted to by the other. To the best of my knowledge and current information "they" have made an attempt to clarify the situation themselves and were on the verge of burying the hatchet. With regards to the fact that I'm a newbie has little to do with anything. That only applies to overcoming the curve and learning a few new rules for a given situation. I didn't just come into the country on the last banana boat. For example, I made 2 dumb mistakes in posting on this board on my first 3 three posts. The moderator was quick enough and nice enough to fix my newbie mistakes and help me, therby not leaving me hanging and appearing to be the dummy of the week. So now I'm not even a total newbie here. Thanks again moderator. With regards to what my experiences are in life and what I'm willing to bring to the table and share far outweigh the length of time I'm in a newbie status in any endeavor. I suspect I was doing what you now refer to hobbying before you were born. I was also trained in a great many other human relations skills that I doubt most could even come close to understanding. I'm not bragging, just stating a fact that I also posses a worthwhile store of knowledge about many human conditions. I would hope you could agree and understand that kind of knowledge only comes to most people with age, a desire to learn and trying to improve life for both yourself and others. I do have honor and I do not lie. Unlike having the "lack of ethics philosophy" that I find prevalent in most people in today's society, my grandfather taught me "A man's word is his bond". If I say I will do something, you can take it to the bank. If you want to start an argument with me, all you have to do is just say I am a liar or that I don't have honor. Another way to "get to me" is to unjustifiably insult someone I consider a friend, especially when I don't feel it would be in the best interest of himself/herself or anybody else concerned for him/her to respond in his/her own behalf. I don't make friends quickly or easily and their numbers are very few, but when I do make one, they are my friends for life unless "they" betray that friendship. My friends also come in both the male and female variety. A disagreement between any two people I consider friends, places me in a very uncomfortable situation. But I am smart enough to realize that when such a rift occurs, only "they" can make things right. That requires the willingness to listen and try to understand the other party's point of view and maybe reevaluate their position and maybe even make a little compromise when necessary. It was not my intention to flame you in this response, but only to explain my position in the matter. I also hope you can understand that reasonable people can have differences of opinions and still get along without resorting to attack tactics. That sort of behavior does nobody any good and only serves to make fools of both participants. Live Long & Prosper.