Raising funds

Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by UG Staff, Mar 22, 2006.

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  1. Slinky Bender

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    Not sure if that's going to happen. her first (and only?) act was to take my post (#244) announcing her being made mod and the reaon for it to "I love you too", as well as Ozzy's post preceding (#233) and do the same. I changed them back, and now she thinks that since I did that, that the whole making her a mod was a sham to begin with. (not sure if she changed any other posts, didn't go back and look at every single post)
  2. Ozzy

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    It should be noted that those rules don't apply to the off topic "political" threads. I've long been told they are not moderated. Sort of a place for all the crazies to act as crazy as they want.


    But while those rules are there and should be enforced to a stricter degree... The staff obviously already had their hand full just enforcing the more flagrant violations that directly affected UG's ability to function make money. People are going to argue and flame each other... I've done ore than my share and I've seen the best of them lose it as well.
  3. Slinky Bender

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    If anyone cares to look, I've been harping on this for years. The biggest recent addtion is that people really should show some more respect for the moderators, even if they perceive the mod isn't being repsectful to them. To some extent, if people want to hang around here, they have to trust my judgment in picking the mods, and that they have in one way or another earned the rights to be mods. If you (the generic you) don't trust my judgement in that way, then perhaps you should just avoid this place.

    But I'll also add that the disrespect for the women on this site is given way more attention than the disrespect for both me and this site from the women in this business both on this site and off. Every single time over the years that I have done ANYTHING which I perceived as an acommodation, it's my feeling that what I've gotten in return was spit in my face. Let's take what's going on in this very thread as an example:

    Two providers take out a free ad, and in it they state:

    "This is for my gf and I to increase my BJ skills for porn."

    and certainly implied (and I beleived stated at one point), that "it wasn't about the money".

    Then, they came on and made a statment which they knew or shold have know would be an iflamatory knock against UG, because it's a knock which has been made countless times before about this place.

    This was incredibly insenstive, and while they can try to pretend it wasn't a knock against UG, just a knock against the UG membership, it just does not ring true. It is just another case of providers wanting to be treated with "respect" on here, but without thinking that their actions have consequences, and in this particualr case, there is little counter argument to the fact that what they got was a free ad, and what they "gave" in return was fodder for those who wish to make sure that no one will pay for ads here. And it's another case of providers thinking that UG should "understand" that bad things said about them by UG members can effect their pocketbooks, that there is no similar thought that bad things said about "what you can expect from a UG ad" can effect this site's pocketbook.
  4. curious

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    Well, now that she's been invested with Mod powers, as soon as SA sees fit to rouse herself and pad on over to her computer terminal, we'll all get a clearer idea of a supply-sider's vision for this board.

    Can't wait.
  5. DaveNJ

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    Both Gardener and Ozzy make good points and are on opposing sides of a very fine line. Providers should not be immune from criticism and comments of UGers calling it like they see it. At the same time, comments that have no other purpose than to spew a members venom definitely hurt the board and its marketability to potential advertisers.

    Fact is, rules #2,7,and 10 cover this sort of behavior, yet I see them violated often enough. Not just towards providers, but between members as well. I'm no angel myself, but I do believe in treating others with a certain amount of respect unless duly provoked.

    Maybe if these rules were more self-enforced we wouldn't be having this discussion. Of course, as stated above, this does not mean that we can't be honest. But maybe some of us (myself included at times) should be a bit less crass and intentionally offensive.
  6. Slinky Bender

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    With all due respect, like a lot of what gets posted here as theori for the boards success or failure, it's not grounded in fact. Without going into a lenghty discussion (which I could, but the choir would remain the choir and the agnostics would remain agnostic), I point out that I can not think of the time you seem to be referring to where "the ladies" were revered here, and I'll simpl;y point out that long, long, long before anyone could possible think the "high point" had been reached, the same issue had been raised, so it's obviously not the cause/case:


    http://utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324
  7. Ozzy

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    The problem with that theory is that this board has always flourished because of it's honesty...it's brutal honesty. Not too many board out there can claim 500,000 posts and a membership as large and dedicated as this one.... And theres a reason for that.

    True Vermeer is an extreme and he doesn't let go, but the flip side is what you have on other boards where fluff-balling replaces informative and interesting discussion. Where you get shouted down or banned for speaking up against a popular provider, where white knight-ism run rampant.

    The whole point of UG from it's start was that it would not serve as a place for providers to be set on a pedestal and worshiped by their hoards of tricks vying for the queens attention. Or where the ho's could be exempt from the trash that occasionally gets throw at one another in a community of this size.

    UG was always a place where tricks could still talk to one another about ho's without worrying how vulgar the conversation got. Where you can call a blow job a blow job and not a fucking lollypop or a cup of coffee. Where a 4 isn't called a 9 simply because a ho's feelings will be hurt if she reads it. Where you can still call a ho a ho and a trick a trick, Where bad reviews of popular providers or agencies can get posted because there is no 5 grand a month protection paid to the staff. Where you can tell it like it is and not worry about being banned for speaking the truth.

    I'm sure other including management can explain it better... and while I'm no fan of HVB and I took her to task for abusing providers in a way she shouldn't. I don't think she had all that much to do with how UG is vilified today. Vermeer perhaps.. but he is but one poster on a board with thousands and nearly a half million posts. UG is not for everyone, but should a girl come here and not bullshit anyone, not post fake or inaccurate pics, not try and pass herself off as something she's not, not attempt to pull something over the our eyes.... she shouldn't have all that many slings and arrows tossed her way and would probably stand to make as comfortable a living as Betty, Miki and Amy have... or as CLPC, AATR and other agencies have who were honest and willing to take and handle criticism when it came their way.
  8. moneyshotsnj

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    I'm tempted to take you up on that Betty, but I'm not a hunk, don't shave my balls and don't drink pineapple juice. Are you sure you want to do me and not keep the money? :)
  9. April

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    Give that man a lollypop!

    Personally I agree with everything you just posted.
  10. gardener

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    250+ posts so far in this thread about money, and NO ONE of all three sides (management, consumers or providers), in my opinion of course, is (or even close to) on the money.

    (How lucky you all are to have me enlighten you).

    If you could poll the veteran members (posters, lurkers, managers, providers) and ask them to choose a point in time when they think this board had peaked and flourished more than any other times, I have no doubt, the majority would most likely, look back with fondness at the pre HVB (beginning of the down trend) and then Vermeer and alike, that brought it to today’s bottom.

    This board, by its design and nature, NEEDS the provider side to exist (monetary and participatory).

    If providers are made to feel disrespected or vulgarly attached by those two idiots and their follower fools, all the potential earnings that could be generated here, won’t do.

    VERY few of our wives (or even us), who has just a bit of self respect, will not tolerate that kind of treatment at their/our workplace, even if it means income decrease.

    Why any other moderated BB’s I’ve ever seen, are making the best efforts to stay civilized, but when it comes to sex worker and consumers BB, all bets are off?

    I understand, some are finding this degenerate (Vermeer) amusing, but, I believe, they wouldn’t mind him getting whacked, if it will bring back the lifeblood (the ladies) to the board.

    Just my 2c, flame ahead.
  11. fumpton

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    unless these guys who saw the lollypop twins were wearing their UG pins, how could you possibly know these "cheap tippers" and "non-tippers" were EXCLUSIVELY from UG? As far as I know, the lollypops only posted their ad on UG, but that doesn't mean readers from the other boards don't check out UG also. These guys could have been from other boards.

    With 40,000 members on UG, the membership runs the gamut from low-end to high-end hobbyists. By posting an ad with reduced rates, of course you're going to attract those who will take advantage of that offer. You're also going to exclude those who won't see you at such a low rate, maybe because they equate that low rate with CL-type service. You also have to take into consideration that some guys won't want to see you because of your body ink. Some guys may not find that attractive so you've already excluded them from seeing you. What you have left are the guys who are looking for a quick BJ and who DON'T want to pay that much for it. Is it any surprise to you when they don't tip??

    I guess their motto should be "tipping is expected, but free advertising is never appreciated"
  12. Ozzy

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    I wouldn't walk the streets today.




    yep... edited my post... so you know what I mean.
  13. curious

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    If you'd been here the whole time, you would have seen SB's and your posts above changed briefly.
  14. April

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    So SB you brought someone in to mop up things?
  15. curious

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    You sound vaguely worried.
  16. Ozzy

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    nevermind
  17. DaveNJ

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    Thanks. It's always nice to be appreciated ;)

    By the way, vaguely being the operative word there :D

    Sweet Dreams
  18. SubmissiveAngel

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    dear constituancy

    before banning anyone, i need to take a nap.

    ps. dave, i like the way you think. practical, impartial and (above all) vaguely sane.
  19. DaveNJ

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    Maybe instead of having the "ads for indies and touring providers" section be a free trial run, the first month of advertising should be discounted . If the Ad works, the provider would most likely continue to advertise at the normal rate. If she does not continue, the AD and all mention of it and her contact info get deleted. At least this way UG gets something for their trouble.

    And if the provider is interested in advertising a one-time deal or short-term special, that should work for her as well.
  20. Slinky Bender

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    Hollow thanks from being goaded into them are just that: hollow.

    Perhaps a little respsonsibility and accountability will show a little.... whatever.

    OK, SA...... it's your show now. Let's see what you do with the responsibility.
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