Smoking Ban Bill

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  1. njbandit

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    There is also a bill in the works that will nullify the casino exemption citing a similar law that earlier passed in New York State.
  2. letsgetstarted

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    Amen!!!
  3. oddfellow4870

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    The law is complete and utter bullshit, but I would have no problem with it if you add the following exception.

    Any business owner who posts an official sign in a visible location at the entrance which says "Smoking allowed here" can allow smoking.

    And for all you self righteous folks who think this is proper policy, guess what? You are shoving your religion down the thoats of everyone else who has a different view. Many of you are afraid of a right wing theocracy because you think it will try to govern your behaviors. Please tell me how this is any different.
  4. letsgetstarted

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    I wonder who is really behind these smoking bans. Who lobbys for it. Is it the state itself, because it pays for so much healthcare? End the welfare state and leave us alone.
  5. letsgetstarted

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    What about the rights of business owners? What happened to personal choice?
  6. letsgetstarted

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    AMEN!!!
  7. lamont5123

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    I am a non-smoker and I will not enter any place that allow on premises smoking.

    Not only do my clothes smell, but my throat gets sore.

    I have always believed second-hand smoke is dangerous over the long term.

    But on the other hand, I do feel bad for smokers who are forced to stand outside in very cold weather during the winter or very humid conditions in the summer.

    Smoking causes cancer and cancer causes an early death.
  8. daengman

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    Halleluiah

    If I wasn't an atheist, I would get down on my knees and thank god that I can still ride the subway.
  9. ChuckUFarlie

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    Well the thing is if you don't like to be around a place that has smoke, YOU CAN CHOOSE not to go there and go someplace where smoking is not allowed. However a smoker cannot choose as it is made illegal. Even in a bar, I don't have that option. So your logic is faulty.
    Personally I think this city is so offensive to the senses, especially sense of smell, that it seems to be hypocritical to go after smokers.
  10. Psychosis

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    Yes it bothers me. It bothers me that I don't smoke but when I get home my clothes smell like I smoked ten packs in one day. Remember it wasn't the patrons of the bars and restaurants that started the smoking ban idea, it was the workers in these places that started it because they had no choice but to deal with the stench and possible (although I have yet to see any concrete proof) side effects on their health. The same can also be said for the smokers, go somewhere else. Sometimes the restaurants non smoking section is a joke because instead of having an actual separate place all that separates the two sections is a booth and you can still breathe that god awful stench. I wish they would make it a federal law and ban it in all public places across the US. Let them smell up their own house and smell up their own clothes and their children's clothes.
  11. Ozzy

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    I don't think the original poster who mentioned wall street meant "in the office" or at the NYSE... I assumed he meant at the local downtown watering holes hang outs in the area that fell under the ban with Bloombergs rules.
  12. ChuckUFarlie

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    Does it really bother you guys?

    I quit smoking a while back but this ban on smoking almost anywhere doesn't seem fair. I know the big chains don't feel that much it but several small bar owners I know were not pleased and their business suffered. At a lot of these smaller bars, the majority of customers were against the smoking ban. The bartenders were against it as well. Smoking doesn't bother me but does it bother the rest of you non smokers? What's behind all this? It can't be public health as our air quality is awful, our kids are obese and we are not as healthy as nations that smoke more. So some people don't like to be around smokers, then fuckin sit in the non smoking section or go somewhere else. Sometimes on the subway, I get a big giant 400 pound ball of shit sitting next to me farting and burping and stinking to high hell. And it makes me so uncomfortable, I have to move to another car. Yet, there's no ban on disgusting, nasty, smelly, farting, burping fat fucks or a limit as to who can buy McDonalds.
    Smokers are an easy target and they are being treated unfairly.
  13. Psychosis

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    I must agree!
  14. Lou Grant

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    Wall street wasn't an issue when Bloomy passed his edict because there was no smoking years ago when it became illegal to smoke in an office environment. Besides, who has time to enjoy a smoke on the floor when they don't even have time to take a shit?
  15. RoosterC74

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    Let me begin by stating that I am not currently a smoker. I gave it up (except for a cigar now and then) about 20 plus years ago.

    It is simply about dollars. The average owner of a food establishment, bar, strip club, does not have huge lobbyist working daily in Jersey. They ain't going to ban smoking in the casino's because of the economic impact. A.C. is Gold Mine for the tax base in Joisey, and they ain't givin up any of that sacred cow.

    As for Bloomberg vs. the Political Insiders in Jersey, as much as I hate to admit it Joisey (and I live here) is one of the most fucked-up states politically in the country. It is dominated by a few party boses that have been around forever. They contolled Florio years ago. They controlled McGreevey, and Codey, and now they have the King-Pin of them all Jon Corzine. Talk about paying to get into office. Corzine will just continue to get Joisey further and further into debt. He ain't cuttin off the hand that feeds him.

    Thus, folks will continue to puff away in A.C. for years to follow.
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  16. Ozzy

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    I know why they exempted it in the casinos... but they didn't exempt it on wall street (just to use the example above) did they? There is NO smoking at any NYC run gambling establishment... OTB nor any of the race tracks. Which just goes to show that some of your favorite NJ lawmakers got greased. At least with Bloomy he said no smoking and he meant it. One thing you gotta give him credit for is that he's fairly honest and consistant for a politician... then again... he's really not a politician.


    And I never saw a bar, a restaurant or gift shop on a gaming floor and I've been in casino's from Monte Carlo to Vegas. The hotel lobby is NOT part of a casino.
  17. DaveNJ

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    Seems like the indiviual bar/restaurant owner should be able to make up his/her own mind about whether or not to allow smoking. Their policy should be clearly displayed for all patrons to see. If a particular establishment feels it is in their best interest to allow smoking, so be it. No one is forcing the customers to spend their money there.

    On the other side of it, plenty of establishments would market themselves as smoke-free, and patrons could choose to eat/drink there if that is what they are looking for.

    I think we should be able to vote with our dollars, and spend them where we want. Bar/restaurant owners are in business to make money, and will adapt different strategies to keep their clientelle happy. If a particular owner sees that the decision to allow smoking is affecting business in a negative way, that policy would be sure to change very quickly. Same is true for an owner who chooses to not allow smoking. If the bar stools/restaurant tables are empty long enough, you'd better believe people would be allowed to light up there in the near future if it keeps the owner rolling in the green.
  18. superwoman01

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    Ozzy,
    New Jersey exempted gambling areas at the request of Atlantic City's $5 billion-a-year casino industry, which said a total smoking ban would cause losses in profits, state tax revenues and jobs.
  19. SlickWilly

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    I thought this thread was about someone wanting me to quit smoking my cigars.
  20. Lou Grant

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    Oz,

    It was a money issue. Casino revenue is to Jersey what Wall Street is to NY. And the politicos did not want to lose that revenue.

    And I think what they were referring to as to the other parts of the casino would be the restaurants, the halls, the shops, and such.