So This is Their Religion???

Discussion in 'New York' started by ROYAL, Oct 8, 2001.

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  1. Monk


    Does anyone else find it a bit odd that a stripper would remember a client, to whom she gave one lap dance, three months later? I mean, these women see hundreds of men. I'm not denying that it happened, but it just seems a bit strange. I would think that after, say, a year working in a strip joint, we all start looking the same. Except, perhaps, the regulars who spend a lot of money on the girls -- those are faces they'll remember.

    I read in the Times that one of the hijackers, I believe it was Atta, would visit his local x-rated video store and just wander around, buying nothing.
  2. ew

    ew Silver


    [Edited by ew on 10-10-2001 at 07:58 PM]
  3. Slinky Bender

    Slinky Bender The All Powerful Moderator

    I think you'd be extremely surprised to the extent the KKK actually did have "public and religious backing" back in the second quarter of the 20th Century.

    [Edited by slinkybender on 10-10-2001 at 10:00 PM]
  4. mr. wonderful

    mr. wonderful

    Supposedly, these "sleeper agents" were instructed to act Americanized..i.e appear normal by acting like the rest of us. So the fact that they went to strip clubs or wanted to get laid doesn't surprise me. While I agree with the comparison to the KKK to a limited extent, it is important to note that the KKK NEVER had the fervent public and religious backing that these criminals seem to have. May they all rest in pieces.

  5. blkthought2001


    The point is that these people WERE extremists but were also hypocrits in the eyes of their religion. They perverted the religion to fit their own world view but at the same time followed none of the basic tenets of Islam.

    The Qu'ran frowns on drinking and looking upon women as meat. In that case that makes me a big hypocrit as well but no less than many Catholics, Protestants and Jews. Men are not infallible and there are few true souls living up to the ideals of their religion. Especially not these zealots and not the least bit the Jerry Falwells' and Pat Robertsons' of this world.
  6. thelastone


    the best quotes of the day...

    has got to be:

    "I'm glad he's dead with the rest of them, and I don't like feeling something like that," Samantha finally said. "But he wasn't just a bad tipper - - he killed people."

    Oh yea, gotta love brillance.

    oh and also:

    "They all listed Florida driver's licenses and very much fit in, pretty clean-cut guys," said Gerfy. "It's a shame. It would have been better if they were more criminal looking and easier to spot for something wrong."

    I'm sure all criminals out there are going, sure no prob, we'll start wearing big 'C' s on our chests just to let ya know.

    I don't understand, do you agree to being quoted before or after you make a statement like that?


    ps johnj : not only the KKK but what about the more "respectable" extremes in Christianity. Pat Robertson gives me the willies.
  7. JohnJ

    JohnJ Repentant Sinner

    West Wing

    Someone who saw West Wing last week told me that they drew parallels of the Extremists of Islam to The KKK to Christianity.
  8. ROYAL


    I'm not the religious type but the fact is, if they are Killing people to preach their beliefs it's rediculous, But here is more proof that they are not as "Religious" or "Extreme" and that it's all a bunch of Bullshit!!!
    This story is from the San Francisco Cronicle.

    Las Vegas -- Samantha remembers the killer settling into the crushed red velvet chair, staring blankly up at her while she undulated her hips inches from his face.

    He didn't look evil, she said. Not even interesting. Certainly not like a man who would, just three months later, hijack a jet and smash it into the World Trade Center to slaughter thousands of people in a suicidal fireball.

    To the 29-year-old stripper, Marwan Al-Shehhi simply looked "cheap."

    "Some big-man terrorist, huh?" Samantha said this week as she took a breather from the two-dozen lap dances she bestows daily upon the lonely at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret. "He spent about $20 for a quick dance and didn't tip more."

    She stopped and bit her lip, throbbing rock music rattling the dimly lit crystal ball overhead while other "girls" in G-strings gyrated for grinning tourists.

    "I'm glad he's dead with the rest of them, and I don't like feeling something like that," Samantha finally said. "But he wasn't just a bad tipper - - he killed people."

    Samantha would have never given Al-Shehhi another thought if she hadn't seen his photo in a news article naming him as one of five Sept. 11 hijackers who stayed in Las Vegas not long before they pulled off the deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history.

    Just why the five chose Vegas is still somewhat of a mystery, and FBI agents are knocking on doors up and down The Strip -- the casino-studded road cutting north to south -- to try to solve it.

    But one thing seems clear. The self-styled warriors for Allah -- who believed their hijackings would earn them eager virgins in heaven -- engaged in some decidedly un-Islamic sampling of prohibited pleasures in America's reputed capital of moral corrosion.

    The fact that she played a role in that sampling was disturbing enough to Samantha, but after recognizing 23-year-old Al-Shehhi's bearded face, she had another shock coming. It turned out one of his accomplices, Mohamed Atta -- thought to be the ringleader of the entire four-jet attack that demolished the twin towers and part of the Pentagon -- stayed in the cheap Econo Lodge just a couple of blocks from the Olympic along The Strip.

    Now, she can think of little else.

    "Some of the girls here remember a couple of those guys coming in here in August, too," said Samantha, who like three other Olympic "Samanthas" preferred that her family not read her real name in a newspaper. "It's freaking us all out.

    "For me, what I remembered most was the guy with the beard. You don't forget a face in this business."

    All of the women, she said, recall the men the same way: quiet, well- groomed, polite, light drinkers -- and the opposite of big spenders.

    In addition to Atta, 33, and Al-Shehhi, investigators are telling business owners that Nawaq Alhamzi, age unknown, Ziad Jarrahi, 26, and Hani Hanjour, 29,

    stayed in Las Vegas off and on between May and August. They say the group -- which chillingly included a hijacker from each of the four flights -- made at least six trips here.

    So far, according to sources familiar with the investigation, the supposition is that this was just a convenient central meeting spot to hatch their plots because tourists of all ethnicities blend easily here, and flights are frequent and cheap. As for hanging out at the Olympic Club, the sprightliest strip joint on a dreary stretch of the old downtown known mainly for $10 street hookers and easy heroin: "It makes sense they would come here, because we're a nice place for everyone, every ethnicity," said Manager Joe Algere.

    The meeting-spot theory was reinforced last week by the discovery that Lotfi Raissi, a pilot arrested in London on suspicion of flight-training four of the hijackers, also stayed in Vegas in June when some of them were here. Sources familiar with the investigation believe Raissi trained at least one hijacker at a flight school in Arizona. None of the flight schools in Vegas has so far unearthed records of any of the suspects training here.

    However, locals and investigators are still exploring two main theories for why the radical Islamic killers gathered in a city they undoubtedly saw as a den of infidels wallowing in Western wretchedness.

    One, which is generating plenty of fear but seems to have no factual underpinning, is that they planned to crash planes into something big like the fake Statue of Liberty, or the 109-story Stratosphere Casino tower near the Econo Lodge.

    The other is that the five reckoned as long as they had to meet, they might as well do it where they could gamble and indulge in the same forbidden frolics some of them reportedly found at the Pink Pony strip joint in Florida over the summer.

    The portrait of their time here gets a little fuller with every new sighting report that pops up -- though it's anyone's guess how well the stories will hold up over time.

    McCarran Airport Payless Car Rental Manager Suzanne Gerfy told The Chronicle this week that her staff had found receipts showing Jarrahi "and a few of the others" had rented cars over the summer, and they turned the receipts over to the FBI. Jarrahi -- who investigators believe piloted United Airlines Flight 93 on its fatal dive into a Pennsylvania field -- wrote he was staying at the high-rolling Circus Circus casino resort, which is on the gaudier end of The Strip than the Econo Lodge.

    "They all listed Florida driver's licenses and very much fit in, pretty clean-cut guys," said Gerfy. "It's a shame. It would have been better if they were more criminal looking and easier to spot for something wrong."

    Circus Circus staff referred calls to management, who did not return messages.

    Clerks at a Starbucks near the University of Nevada at Las Vegas also say they served high-octane java to at least one of the killers, and a pizza joint reportedly served them slices -- with ham left off by request. Some folks at the Chapel of Love quickie-marriage emporium even swear they saw Atta driving a cab.

    FBI agents aren't talking about what they're finding -- "for obvious reasons," said Las Vegas office Special Agent Gayle Jacobs. But area Muslims have heard enough. They are tired of association with mass murderers.

    "True Muslims don't drink, don't gamble, don't go to strip clubs," said Dr. Osama Haikal, president of the board of directors of the Islamic Foundation of Nevada. "These things are a sin, just like what they did in New York and Washington is a sin."

    If the hijackers copped a lap dance or even a watery scotch in most strict Islamic countries, they would be flogged, Haikal said -- and they would be executed for the horror they wrought. Dying doesn't mean they won't be held accountable.

    "Wherever they are now, I'm sure they are getting punished," he said.

    Religion My ASS!!!
    The ones who also are suffering are the true Islamic and Muslem people. They are true followers of the religion not like these fake ass extremists!!!

    [Edited by ROYAL on 10-08-2001 at 07:58 PM]