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  1. justme

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    Dallas doesn't have the Austin City Limits Music Festival. Anyway, I have to hate Dallas... I'm from Houston. Seriously, though, in terms of cultural type things (museums, theater, etc.) Ft Worth is more cosmopolitan than the Big D.

    I hear you on not knowing who to trust in terms of reviews. If I could help you out, I would. I just know absolutely nothing about Dallas.

    Good Luck.
  2. alterego

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    Seriously, how much more interesting is Houston than Dallas??? Or Austin for that matter.

    I was down in Austin last weekend. I hadn't been there in years and I was amazed at how much it now looks like Dallas, all suburbanized and shopping-mall-ized and shit.

    And if Austin is starting to look like Dallas, I can't really imagine Houston being that much better.

    Besides... if you really really really look hard, there is some interesting stuff in Dallas. Of course, by interesting I mean interesting by Dallas standards. The key in this town is to set your cultural expectations very low. Also, there's lots of parking.

    Anyhow...

    I did check out ASPD, and yes indeed it is free to look, and there was lots of Dallas info, but I don't really know one poster from the other, and I'd rather get your opinion than waste a bunch of time on another PMB trying to figure out who is who and what is what and all that stuff.

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  3. justme

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    And look how much I post there.

    Actually, I think the way it works is that anyone can read the form part of the reviews but only paying members can read the 'comments' section. I think the discussion is free to post to as well.
  4. Slinky Bender

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
  5. justme

    justme homo economicus

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    No, sorry.

    I try to stay as far away from Dallas as possible.

    ASPD had pretty consistantly good Texas info the last time I was reading it, but I think they're pay these days (and it can be hard to take at times).
  6. alterego

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    Know anything about Dallas clubs?

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  7. justme

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    Treasures (Houston) has one of the highest prostitute / non-prostitute ratios of any strip club in the city.
  8. Slinky Bender

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    So I guess the law has come down on how much of a "Special Arena" stripclubs are.
  9. Slinky Bender

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    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Aug-19-Thu-2004/news/24573299.html

    CORRECTION 8/20/04: An article in Thursday's edition of the Review-Journal about a Treasures topless club dancer charged with solicitation of prostitution should have reported that Las Vegas Municipal Judge Cedric Kerns presided over the trial.
    Treasures liquor license put in peril


    By RICHARD LAKE
    REVIEW-JOURNAL


    Treasures dancer Jessica Crockett was convicted Wednesday of soliciting prostitution for offering sex to an undercover police detective last year.
    Photo by Gary Thompson.





    A controversial $30 million strip club's yearlong quest to get a permanent liquor license might have been dealt a fatal blow Wednesday when a judge found one of its dancers guilty of misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution.

    Treasures dancer Jessica Crockett, one of three dancers arrested in October, also was found guilty of violating the city's erotic dance code. The cases against the other two dancers have yet to go to trial.

    Crockett was accused of making a deal with an undercover Las Vegas police detective to engage in sex with him for money. She denied the charges.

    "I don't believe Miss Crockett intended in any way to go to the detective's room to have sex for money," the judge said, explaining that he believed she was leading the detective on to get him to spend more money on lap dances.

    Regardless, he said, her intent did not matter under the law. Because she made a deal with the detective to have sex for money, she is guilty.

    Crockett declined to comment after the hearing through her attorney, Ross Goodman. Goodman, the son of Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, vowed to appeal the verdict "as quickly as possible."

    "She was just saying what the patron wanted to hear to further her opportunity of performing additional dances," Ross Goodman said. "There was not an agreed upon exchange of sexual services for a fee."

    The otherwise routine conviction of an exotic dancer carries added weight in Crockett's case because of where she worked.

    Treasures, which opened in September, was granted a temporary liquor license in 2001 by the City Council amid concerns over numerous prostitution citations at out-of-state clubs held by Treasures owners Ali and Hassan Davari. The Davaris also are the subject of a money-laundering investigation tied to their clubs in Houston.

    Club attorney Mark Fiorentino promised council members the club would not tolerate illegal activity and even declared that the Davaris would not fight revocation of their liquor license if any dancer was convicted of soliciting prostitution at the club.

    Liquor licenses are critical to the financial success of topless clubs. When the topless club Jaguars temporarily lost its liquor license in December, midweek beverage sales dropped from about $3,000 per night to $50 per night.

    Fiorentino has since tried to back out of his promise, declaring himself an idiot.

    "I had no idea what I was saying," Fiorentino told the council.

    The council has twice extended the temporary license this year as the prostitution cases wended their way through the court system.

    Mayor Goodman and Councilman Michael Mack have abstained from voting on matters related to Treasures. Mack is a public relations consultant for the club, and the mayor has been mum because of his son's role as counsel for club dancers.

    With Wednesday's conviction, the council could decline to issue a permanent license at a hearing set for Sept. 1. Jim DiFiore, manager of the city's Business Services Division, said the conviction will be a part of the record the council will evaluate as it considers granting a permanent license.

    "It does stand as a conviction unless it's overturned at a higher level," DiFiore said. "Suitability, citations, they (council members) are allowed to consider a lot of these matters in determining what they want to do regarding a permanent license."

    Fiorentino believes, however, that the club is in the same position with or without the conviction.

    "I told the council (in June) to assume we lose all four of them (the soliciting prostitution cases)," he said Wednesday.

    DiFiore and law enforcement officials have complained in the past that club management has been less cooperative than that of other clubs. Police have described the club as cultivating a "culture of lawlessness."

    "It's still an issue," DiFiore said.

    Club attorney Fiorentino wouldn't respond to DiFiore's comments, but he said he has explained to the council specific steps Treasures has taken to cut down on erotic dance code violations and soliciting prostitution citations.

    Crockett, under the club's employee conduct code, will no longer be able to dance at the club, he said.

    If her conviction stands, she will have to pay $1,400 in fines and fees, the judge ruled.
  10. Mr. User Name

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    Normus and BBM,
    You are both reading the minds of many of us who post here and millions who don't. We just don't have the ability to express ourselves as excellently as you.
  11. Normus Johnson

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    you are reading my mind......are you sure youre not reading my mind......wholly shit......I would pay for your next 5 sessions if you could convince my wife of what you just stated above

    No, it is either a case of great minds thinking alike, or we have become so warped in our view of human relationships by the hobby that this is just how we think.
    I seriously doubt I can convince any woman that isn't a provider, of what I wrote. People, rather society, just sees sex differently. Society doesn't permit the exchange of sexual services for money. Most people here disagree with that idea. We see sex as something to be enjoyed, no matter how it comes to us.
    I could never convince a 20 something beautiful woman to see me for dinner and a movie and then have sex with me afterwards. It will never happen unless the woman is deranged, or blind. Money changes that for a lot of women. Society has a problem with that, we here see it as making perfect sense.
    On the other hand, society has no problem with the young woman who puts her hooks into a wealthy geezer, hoping he will die and leave her a bundle of money while she is still young.
    Sex for money is honest most of the time. The woman wants to exchange sex for money. She wants nothing to do with us, unless there is money coming from us. We are willing to pay because we understand this concept. We know it is our only hope of escaping the monotony of repetitive, boring, no variety, marital sex.
  12. BigMadM

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    you are reading my mind......are you sure youre not reading my mind......wholly shit......I would pay for your next 5 sessions if you could convince my wife of what you just stated above.
    Why should I sit and watch a broadway play, fight traffic, pay 40 bucks to park, stand outside in the heat or cold for 45 minutes, when I could hobby.(plays are great, but nothing compares to the warm waiting mouth of a 22 y/o)
    Exactly my entire lifes thinking.
    Its scary that we think so much alike.
    btw, I also would love to send my wife on a 3 week vacation to europe, so I could hobby till I drop. she wont go without me.
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2004
  13. Normus Johnson

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    BBM, I do read most of your posts. I see a lot of angst in a lot of what you write. After my experience last week, the first thing I wanted to do was tell somebody, anybody, about this wonderful experience. Of course, that is impossible. Nobody knows what I do, except me and the provider.
    I read your material, and I see where you are coming from. One of the characteristics of the sex addict is the repeated failed attempts to quit. I was there once. I went through a period where I just went through every waking moment either trying to score or setting up my next score. Any and all extra cash went straight to the hobby. I tried to quit and couldn't
    I laid off for two years, mostly out of fear of being snagged in an MP raid. It was hard, to stop, I was missing something that I truly enjoyed. Naturally, I went back in.
    When I came back, I decided to put it in perspective. I would set aside a certain amount of money for hobbying. I wouldn't go over. I wouldn't give up other things to hobby. I now compare myself to the social drinker. I enjoy this hobby. The woman I saw last week was like a beautiful work of art, or a magnificent work of nature. I could never partake of her pleasures without the hobby.
    I enjoy having sex with young, beautiful, smart women. I like the variety. I like the way they feel in my arms. I like the way they smell and taste. I see no difference in spending $$ to enjoy these pleasures, and spending that same money on a play, or a dinner. I don't feel guilty about spending that on a dinner, or a show, why should I feel bad about spending it on a woman for sex?
    When I am low on funds, and have to curtail my activities, I feel deprived, like something is missing. In society we frown on people who enjoy spending monsy on sex. It is illegal. We are told people who do this, either on the paying end or receiving end, are bad people. I disagree.
    Moderation is the key. I am doing something I enjoy without shirking my other obligations. If I drink too much, or eat to much the feeling is th esame if I hobby too much. I like the way I handle the hobby today.
    All that being said, it is still rather sad that the mediocre experiences still out weigh the truly stellar ones. There is no bigger let down to me than a lousy or mediocre session. There is no greater thrill than a fantastic session where I have connected on some level with my provider. I felt on top of the world last week, as though I had made love to a goddess on a bed of rose petals. I still savor that moment. She is a treasure.
  14. BigMadM

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    thanking me is ridiculous. I enjoy reading views of this hobby by other men in my situation.
    Its so lonely here lately, Im wondering maybe Im one of the causes of it.
    Noone wants to read my postings anymore. Dont know, but I do know Ill be around until slinky kicks me or death.
    I hope that remark didnt scare the rest of the posters away.
  15. Normus Johnson

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    Thank you BBM for responding to my post. I couldn't agree more with what you wrote. I think most of these young girls that will have sex with us 50 year olds for money do it because we treat them with respect, and treat them as people, with feelings and desires. Most of the young men I see around today, mostly friends of my kids, see women as disposable sex objects and treat them as such. No wonder some of these women appreciate an older man. They have a good time and earn some cash.
    I know my current situation will end. This girl is between relationships, and doesn't do this when she is seeing someone. That is why I acted so quickly, this girl won't be around long. Some young guy will scoop her up, treat her like shit, and either dump or or get dumped after about a year. When it ends, it ends, but she will probably recommend me to other girls that are looking for a simliar arrangement. Can't ask for much more.
  16. BigMadM

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    Hey, I thought after a session with me they look to quit.....

    NJ-I have learned one thing through my many, many, and often shitty years of hobbying.
    Alot of girls, especially the ones that arent hard core providers, appreciate a person that treats them the way they want and expect to be treated.
    Its not a big deal for alot of these young good looking women to fuck old men for cash, but it can be a big deal if the man is a real dickhead and treats the girl like a piece of shit.
    Once a girl is comfortable in a mans company, any man, she will make the time spent together worth every cent, because she would much rather be with someone she knows, trusts, and feels safe with, than another person.


    This is one of the biggest drawbacks for me as I hobby less and less in my middleaged years.
    I still want to see new girls, all the new girls that pop up and advertise, or dont advertise, I dont care, Ill fuck any of them.
    But, its so nice and comfy when I can go to a regulars apt, hang out, no time limits, no pressure, safety, the girl knows what I want, and its just so much more a relaxing time.
    So every time I decide to dial the phone, for that new visiting eros girl, I think about the great time I will be passing up with one of my ATFs.

    Strippers, escorts, indies, semipros....dont matter.
    Like you said, all you need to do is find one good one.
  17. Normus Johnson

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    So I guess the bottom line here is that after all the crap that goes on in this hobby, we sometimes find a good one. I guess that is what keeps us coming back for more.
    No matter how smooth we think we are, or how clever or cunning, sometimes things just happen to turn out right. Now my only dilemma is going back to the bar, and fretting how my first target is going to feel when I don't get dances from her or spend any time with her anymore. Since my new find, I think it is pointless.
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2004
  18. Normus Johnson

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    My third time was by far the best, and I will go into greater detail. Since I lost contact with dancer number 2, I was looking for a new contact. Went back to the club, and saw a possibility. Spent three visits at the bar with this dancer, got a lap dance each time, and no hint of anything extra outside the club. Worse the mileage was very low. We did seem to get along well, and she would spend a fairly large time taking with me, with me only buying her a few drinks. I returned to the club for visit number four, determined that I would gently broach the subject with her. I wasn’t quite sure what to say, but I figured I would go with the flow and just sort of improvise as I went along. Much to my disappointment, she wasn’t working the night I decided to do this. I debated whether or not to leave, and return the next night, or look in another direction.
    Then the hottest dancer came to me and started a conversation. I had totally ignored this dancer, since my rule is that the hotter dancer, generally the lower the mileage. I figure what the heck, my target girl isn’t here, and I might as well buy this lovely woman a drink, promising myself I wouldn’t blow money on what sure to be a very low mileage affair. For once, the little head was right. As we sat and drank together, we had a lot in common, even though she was less than half my age. I was getting turned on by her, because I felt a genuine connection. The little head took over, and I opted for a dance. The mileage was fantastic! After the dance, she volunteered her number. I was floored! I couldn’t believe my good fortune.
    This girl was smoking hot, a fabulous person to talk to, and she wanted to see me outside the club, for a fee of course. I couldn’t wait to call her. Several days went by, and I called her. Got her machine, and left a message, never expecting to hear back from her. She called me about a half hour later. I was shocked. We set up a meeting.
    The session was fantastic! Best DATY I have ever had. Best CBJ I have ever had. This girl was just fantastic. I wanted to get a divorce and .live with this woman forever, after this session!
    The best part is, this girl seems like a terrific person that I would love to get to know better, and spend some time with. I realize this is strictly a commercial relationship, but I don’t care! I see this as a semi-pro thing that will be a perfect arrangement for me. I can’t wait to see her again!
  19. Normus Johnson

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    To get back to the original topic of this thread; I have three experiences to share. There will be no contact information given, and I will not name any of the clubs, so if you are interested in this story, please read further, if not I understand.
    I first had a dancer completely volunteer her number. I have since figured that if anything is going to happen, it is most likely the dancer will volunteer her number, and trying to get it might just be pointless. There are only two possibilities here, either the girl works outside the club for money, or she doesn’t. If she does, and you look like a possibility, she will see to it you get her number, if she doesn’t, trying to get it makes no sense, unless you are trying to get a legitimate, non-commercial date.
    My first experience was with a Brazilian dancer who gave me her number as I was leaving the club. Totally unexpected. I called her a week later, took her to a motel, and got FS for $$. Not bad. She freaked me out, however, since she called my cell phone every week for three weeks after. I never returned her calls, and she soon stopped calling.
    The second time, I had been getting lap dancers from another girl in a different club, and we had a good rapport going. One night she asked if I wanted a dance, and I told her I would much rather take her home with me for the evening. She replied that she was seriously giving it a lot of thought. We hooked up after the club closed at a nearby motel. She was expensive but worth it. $$$$ for everything, except Greek which is not my thing anyway. I was thrilled. I tried to get her number so I could see her again, she gave me a story about not having a phone etc. and suggested that I just come to the club if I wanted to see her again. She left the club soon after, and may have left the business. A night with me could cause that. I guess.
    The third time was just a fantastic time which will follow below:.
  20. justme

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    If were talking bible and ethical consistancy we really can't just disregard original sin.

    And innocence really doesn't enter into that particular commandment.