Sugar Daddy Lite, how I figure out the financial structure

Discussion in 'New York' started by BigMadM, May 21, 2006.

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  1. mongerdeux

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    So she bailed ... waited for an hour and she no showed.

    How is this any better than getting no showed while wacking off in a hotel room to a $12.95 porno?
  2. Slinky Bender

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    Isn't it nice for once to see someone using that word in conjunction with anything else than cock/tit size?
  3. BigMadM

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    one point Id like to make clear.

    in my limited experiences with these street types, and thats a bad word to use, lets just say hard luck lives, the downtrodden, forgotten anyway,
    its not so important that I take them to dine in a fancy restaurant, its only important that I will take them out to dine when I promise and dont make a big deal out of it. I dont expect any favors for taking a mommy and the kids out to Red Lobster, I only expect something if we make a deal and some type of arrangement is made, meaning cash or prizes.
    The fact that I will take them to the mall, or to eat, makes the entire exploitation of them feel a little less humuliating for them, I treat them as Id treat any friend when the clock is off, but when the door closes and we are alone, I expect the best they can offer.
    One would be suprised how much a little kindness does for a person.
  4. justlooking

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    Let's face it. In order to be a better poster than BMM, you'd have to be God or something.

    (Actually, I've heard He's here, but I'm not sure what His screenname is.)
  5. <Lacy>

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    "totally welfare endowed"

    Priceless lol

    xoxo
    Lacy
  6. BigMadM

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    youre being too kind.

    I had 2 previous relationships that were with attractive young woman.

    oh, yeah, I should mention the first single mom was so desperate, uh, destitute, the more money I showered on her, well, for around 2 grand a month total cash and prizes, the only limits I had were her total insanity, and my inability to fuck her as many times as I could.

    the second, only 19, an escort that quit, well, she was my private dancer, but her lowlifeness, proved just too much for even me.

    she was like the stuff you find under the mold under the rock you pick up under the top rocks.(but she licked my saggy old scrotal sack like noone ever has)

    Yep, I can pick em, but first I make sure they are totally welfare endowed, then I jump em.
  7. OrangeAid

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    Everyone I've met (and there haven't been that many, since these tend to be long term arrangements) has come through CL or sugardaddie.com. CL is no longer a viable source for this sort of thing, but I had great luck at sugardaddie.com as recently as four months ago. The problem with that site is that it's a very mixed community, with everything from hookers in disguise to women seriously looking for non-P4P long term relationships. Sorting through all that to find the specific sort of thing I'm looking for is not easy, and definitely requires a bit of luck.
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  8. justlooking

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    Everything you say is completely right.

    (I don't think BMM is much on the "nice dinners", though.)

    How do you meet these women, BTW? Because another thing I'd say is that, by now, websites like CL or Sugardaddy.com (or whatever it's called) are not going to yield anything but pros in disguise. I think (and I'm not talking from personal experience here) you just have to keep your eyes open in life.
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  9. OrangeAid

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    I'm sure that's one segment, probably even the largest, but there are others. I've been working BMM's general price point ($500 - $800/month for 2-3 extended meetings plus added bonuses - nice dinners, paying parking tickets, etc.) for a few years now with well educated, gainfully employed women who have above average sex drives, need a little extra money, and aren't up for a conventional relationship for one reason or another.

    One thing to keep in mind going into this is that it's a different world, so you're going to have to behave differently. Verifying availability of BBBJNQNS in advance? Forget it - you'll scare away the ones you really want to attract. You need to put up with a little uncertainty and take some risks, and you need to roll with the punches sometimes and deal with some disappointments. I very nearly blew a good thing once by overreacting to a meeting that was cut short because she had to go to work unexpectedly - keeping a long-term perspective is important, since you are at least theoretically in it for the long haul (or at least longer than conventional P4P relationships)

    I keep the finances simple at first - starting with a straightforward arrangement ("I leave you this each time we meet") and then shifting into a monthly allowance a few months down the road. I've never met any major resistance, and one girl actually suggested it herself (thought it would make things "less businesslike" and not so much of a quid pro quo).
  10. Bandaid

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    The turnover is probably inherent in the setup. I wouldn't do accounting beyond thinking through if I felt I was getting what I am paying for. I want someone to share stuff with, not just fuck, and that makes it harder and riskier. A single mom type would be my idea. I'd tell her that if she wanted to end it, no problem; but as long as we're together she's got to do her part of the deal.

    The whole thing could be the dumbest thing I ever did (no, second dumbest; my marriage has to be number 1), but I'm totally burned out on the average pro and I'd like something more satisfying. If I couldn't accept any risk I never would have hobbied in the first place.
  11. nabbeun

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    my simple rule of thumb: if i've seen them sitting across from me on the couch at an amp, they're a pro.

    otherwise i give'em the benefit of the doubt that they are not. even if they are extraordinarily skilled. however if they pull the 'cover you up with the hidden condom in mouth' trick...well, that's a dead giveaway that she's a pro... ;)
  12. nabbeun

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    right agreed. so to attract less desperate/problematic types, offering a somewhat sweeter deal will go a long way.

    you're still on the steep part of the curve here where adding +$1 will yield more than $1's worth of a good time.
  13. justlooking

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    One way to tell is if they bring condoms with them. You rarely see non-pros do that.
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  14. mongerdeux

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    So when trolling for prospective SBabies, what's the best way to determine a semi-pro or non-pro from someone who is working 4-6 or more times per day? I just imagine that asking straight up will get a lie in return.
  15. justlooking

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    I think BMM has gone through so many of these women because the women who are willing to do this kind of thing for the low prices being discussed here are apt to be desparate underclass types whose problems are eventually going to overwhelm both them and you.
  16. nabbeun

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    well...i wouldn't say never. but go in with your eyes open to the risks. make sure you can live with the aftereffects should one of those risks materialize, or at least have a plan/storyline in place and affairs in order to mitigate any aftereffects.

    btw - i for one have been followed and had my place of work, home and daily routine pegged. and the only reason i ever knew about is was due to the loose lips of another one of the girls. be careful.
  17. nabbeun

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    i agree about the girls who don't want to go into doing tricks but wants some extra money. that is the place to do your fishing, among attractive non-pros. just wants to make ends meet and kinda likes you anyway. i think a pretty divorced late 20's early 30's girl would be your best bet.

    forget about the young gorgeous girl. she'll have more guys than she can handle throwing stuff her way as it is, on just hope.

    my thought is forget about finding a former pro. whatever need got her into the biz of needing the fast money...didn't just go away. she'll want more than $$ a few times a week...and whenever you argue or disappoint her, she'll walk straight back to the mp, as she does't really need you.

    maybe the reason BMM has gone through a string of sugarbabies is when trying to use a strict per session valuation measure (ie, i don't want to pay more per pop than i would have just going to a regular fs provider), there is a retention problem in that the offer just isn't sweet enough to make them want to stick around for long. just my conjecture.

    you certainly don't want to go the full-blown 10k mistress route, but perhaps something a little more than per pop accounting for a non-pro would suffice.
  18. Bandaid

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    BMM isn't shitting anybody, and he doesn't have to do anything like the apartment / car / $10K thing at all. He knows it because he's done it. Have you? There's lots of young women who don't want to go into doing tricks but are willing to see someone regularly and are satisfied with the money. There's others who used to do tricks and don't want to any more.

    This is what I want to do. I think BMM is the smartest monger on the board and when and if my finances allow I'm going to get into it just the way he does. I had a taste of a SD relationship and it was enough to make me want to keep it up.
  19. cbteam0106

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    Are you shitting me?

    I agree with nabbeun. How many times are you going to see her in a month? A good looking AMP can make that in a day.She might take you on as a side job. A real SD would provide her with an apt.; car ; diamonds; furs and 10,000 a month spending money.Are you ready for that?
  20. mongerdeux

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    nabbeun: Almost like the old adage ... never go into a relationship (financial, sexual, any at all) where you have more to lose than the other entity, eh?