Two Questions

Discussion in 'General Industry Related Topics' started by Phantom, Oct 18, 2001.

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  1. Geez, I'm gonna slit my wrists listening to this playlist.

    But, while we're at it:

    Squeeze, "Up the Junction"
    Cream, "Badge"
    Cat Stevens, "Wild World"
    Joe Jackson, "Be My Number Two," and "Breaking us in Two."
    Dan Fogelberg, "Auld Lang Syne"
    Bruce Springsteen, "Downbound Train"
    Bob Dylan "If You See Her Say Hello," and "Shelter from the Storm"
    Jackson Browne "Late for the Sky"
    Al Green "Ain't No Sunshine"

    Such sensitive guys... Sort of makes a Times Square f*-fest seem unlikely.
  2. jras



    Ignore him/her.

    A town without pity. Gene Pitney

    Everybody knows my name. Kid Rock

  3. Phantom


    Gee greendot9, you're such a great person.

    I don't know how we all got along without you before Sept 7th. :rolleyes:
  4. GreenDot9

    GreenDot9 Guest


    I think that we all know, that you know the answers to the questions above, however; it appears you are exceedingly bored and really have nothing important to say, so instead you posted this drivel

    So I will answer your question, with a question;

    "Do rhetorical questions really have answers?"

    (think about that for awhile before you answer)
  5. Escort_King

    Escort_King Some day I will learn to post ISO's in the proper

    Limited to 60s and 70s???

    "Fools in Love" Joe Jackson
    "Cruel To Be Kind"....
    "What's the Use of Getting Sober... when You're Gonna get Drunk Again"
  6. jras


    The Tracks of My Tears -- smokey

    Cathy's Clown - Everly Bros (yeah, I'm really Mr. Pitiful).

  7. littleguy

    littleguy Gold

    Lady in Red,,,,,,,,, siiiiigggghhhhh.....
  8. Phantom


    I think Bill F said it best,

    I have loved and lost, but I've never been loved

    And yes jras, Percy Sledges' "When a Man Loves a Woman" is also on my playlist.

    Not trying hard enough Judge? Some other titles on my playlist,

    Boz Scaggs, "Look What You've Done To Me"

    Chris De Burgh, "Lady in Red"

    Righteous Brothers, "Unchained Melody" and You're My Soul and Inspiration"

    The Main Ingredient, "Eveybody Plays The Fool"

    The Kings', "Are you Lonesome Tonight?" and "Can't Help Falling in Love"

    Smokey Robinson, "You've Really Got a Hold on Me"

    The Four Tops, "I Can't Help Myself"

    And lastly, but not for obvious reasons, The Left Banke, "Walk Away Renee"

    And there are many more.
  9. jras


    When a man loves a woman ... -- Percy Sledge

  10. Bill Furniture

    Bill Furniture Flounder

    I've loved and lost, but never been loved.
  11. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold


    The Moments in 1970 or so. Gloria Stefan later on as well.


    Gotta get Tom Waits version of "Sea of Love" on your playlist for real desparation. You are just not trying hard enough.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 10-19-2001 at 09:01 PM]
  12. Phantom


    Some of the titles on my favorite CD,

    The Platters, "Great Pretender"

    Lenny Welch's, "Since I Fell For You"

    Jimmy Ruffin's, "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted"

    Ray Charles's, "I Can't Stop Loving You"

    John Waite's, "Missing You"

    Gee, think I'm a lost cause?
  13. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

    I Second that Emotion!

    Probably for another thread, but somewhat apropos- a favorite lyric of mine: "I found love on a two way street, and lost it on a lonely highway". Judge, please, who sang this?
  14. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold


    Can't expect Phantom to know every old Smokey Robinson song by heart. Let's try him out on Little Anthony and the Imperials. Phantom, please complete the following verse:

    Shimmy, Shimmy....
  15. Hotpuppy

    Hotpuppy Mr.Butterworth

    Does it matter for the sake of this discussion, that the actual saying is: A taste of honey is 'worse' than none at all?. The implication being that( fill in the blank) once tasted and then denied, is a painful state. With this clarification, I would answer, no, because even if the experience is to be for one time, I'd want to have it. And so for me it follows that it is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
    take care, Go Yankees!
  16. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold

    Don't think an outdoor festival of the sort you describe would be it. Some definite comic possibliities for a writer in describing such a scene. Celine in certain passages in Death on the Installment Plan could be used as a model for such descriptions.

    As to giving it up entirely...Hmm. For purchasers: Continue for as long as it increases your knowledge of yourself and what it is to be alive. Stop as soon as your education is complete. No point in continuing afterwards. For vendors: Continue as long as you need the money, feel insecure about your looks*, or need whatever confirmation of power, grace or beauty you derive from being a vendor.

    *In my experience, the best and most motivated prostitutes are those who are insecure about their looks. Get a real thrill from all the attention in addition to the money which is their predominant motivation.
  17. An alternative

    As always Judge, you came to play...

    This direct visceral experience of simultaneous surrender to desire and loss you speak of -- you mean a massive public display of copulation and fornication? Hmmm. Interesting idea. A 21st Century Caligula in Times Square. That'll show Al-Qaeda our mettle...

    Do we have to quit the hobby, though? I prefer it occasionally.
  18. Geezy Muldoon

    Geezy Muldoon Gold

    Life is all about loss. Great sex, romance and living greatly is about surrender to loss. I would further venture to say that such surrender is the source of all good humor and fellow feeling in the world and is as necessary as bread or sleep.

    As correctly noted by justme, I'd also venture to say that this has little, if anything, to do with commercial sex; it being an experience that is much more about denial of loss and an attempt (hugely funny at times, at least for me) to hustle infinity by seeking certainty of connection (sexual release) for cash. Because it is a very pale imitation of the real thing, It's why we have to vary our choice of providers so much: To escape from the inevitable results of our own hubris at chasing a connection which does not and cannot exist in a commercial encounter.

    Only thing that makes women really sexually attractive is that experience of mutual surrender to desire and loss. Does not matter much what she looks like or how old she is. So, of course, both the Romantics and the Factualists among hobbyists are right, and right at the same exact time about the critical facts of commercial sex. Has anyone else noted this conundrum?

    Fondest subversive wish of the moment: All johns and prostitutes living in New York City* go outside this afternoon and have a direct visceral experience of simultaneous surrender to desire and loss, and give up commercial sex for the real thing, living forever afterwards with their soul mates in eternity.

    *Except for me, of course, and the women I have not boinked yet. I am, after all, a shameless hypocrite whose ignorance and cupidity know no bounds. Essential job requirement for being a Judge.

    [Edited by Judge Crater on 10-19-2001 at 11:48 AM]
  19. TO the main questions:

    1) Yep. Builds character.

    2) Yep. Sweet...

    TO APM's case studies:

    1) No way.

    2) Sucks to be him. But I'd make the argument that he would be a more discriminating consumer of women in the future. Perhaps this would be his moment of realization that beauty is more than skin deep. I hate to say that an experience that shatters trust is a good one, but it does have an up side. Of course, the price in your scenario is a bit high for my tastes.

    I'll add a 3rd case:

    3) A woman marries a man who is by all accounts kind and loving. He helps take care of her mother, who is ill. They fall in love, or so it appears. They never have sex before marriage, as she has been saving her self for many years. In fact, the fact that he respects this choice of hers makes her more certain of their shared commitment. When they get married, she realizes that he is not interested in sex at all. In fact, he appears to have deep emotional issues that prevent him from lovemaking at all. They separate, then divorce. Would she have been better off having never met him?

    And now, some random musings:

    If you never get your tail kicked in romance, you have not truly loved. And if you have not truly loved, you have no way to evaluate most of life's experiences. Of course, wallowing in self-pity about a lost love for 15 years isn't exactly healthy either, but you get the idea.

    Take the situation that draws us to this board. If you have not failed in love, how can you tell that you don't love a provider? How can you tell if you do? If you have not experienced tragedy, how can you have empathy for anyone who does? Can you know strength without weakness?

    As for the honey question, I always marvel at people who are content to pass on an available experience, within the context of societal norms. (And we stretch those boundaries from time to time.) Perhaps it's just my personality, but how can you not try something that's safe, available and within your means?

    Of course, the practice of pouring honey all over a woman, licking it off her and banging headboards for an hour or two is, in my experience, slightly overrated. A sticky situation. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but other fruits and substances can provide just as much entertainment value and none of the complications...

    This is a thread that's aching for the Judge's viewpoint. Come on Crater, tell us what you think.
  20. jras


    What's the URL for Miss Honey?