Why is this dirtbag allowed to live?

Discussion in 'Politics and Religion' started by paulbunyon, May 3, 2006.

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  1. oddfellow4870

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    I just posted a few reasons in the new thread on Iraq in this section.

    Hate to be a cold hearted right winger, but I see the war on terror as a long term problem and obligation. Iraq is the front line and a training ground for future engagements.

    A person's presuppositions on the war really determine all the rest of one's thinking. I think this war is real and long term. I think the first Bush speech on the war was his best work and it hardly mentions WMDs.

    So we we either engage, get proficient and win....

    Or we go home and wait for them to come get us...
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  2. Rokin

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    I was pissed in 1991 when Bush the first (I liked him and I voted for him) did not go into Iraq. I found out many years later from an excerpt of a book he did that he did not go in because his advisors told him that it would be a quagmire. Kind of like you broke it you buy it. To bad Bush the second did not heed the same advise.
    OF, why do you think Irag was a good idea?
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  3. oddfellow4870

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    And to clarify, I thought the administration just oversold the idea of WMDs. From my own standpoint, we should have gone into Iraq in 1991, mainly because George Clooney said we should in 3 Kings (just kidding on that one, but gee, he sure did change his or his character sure did change his....ahh forget it )

    I think Iraq is a good idea for a lot of reasons. Don't need WMDs to justify..
  4. DaveNJ

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    I've never understood the logic behind that rationale. I would think a serious investment into alternative methods of producing energy would stimulate the economy, not hinder it. I don't have the time to look into government spending in these areas (little sleep this weekend and no sign that will change until Sunday) of alternative energy research but I can't recall seeing anything that makes me think it has ever been a serious investment.
    Again, that depends on what I just wrote. We may be able to push our economy even higher AND protect our environment.

    It certainly deserves to be looked into more before the assumption is made that being environmentally smart is economic stupidity.
  5. Rokin

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    You start it and I will always finish it.
  6. Rokin

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    Those were OF's words, not mine.
    President's should not oversell to start a war, just ask all of the paretns of the kids that dies.
  7. argleby

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    Bill Clinton had access to the best minds and intelligence, and presumably so did Al Gore. They said the same thing.

    That's because the best minds and intelligence were all saying Saddam had WMD.

    The point is that virtually everybody - including foreign intelligence services, btw - believed Saddam had WMD (perhaps in part because, as you point out, Saddam was deliberately giving that impression).

    Now you're saying oversold instead of lied. That's some progress.
  8. paulbunyon

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    You're too cool Lamont but I must admit that I have lost my cool too often lately. Its stupid I know but its true. I really don't mean to get personal and this stuff ain't worth blowing a gasket over.
  9. paulbunyon

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    I'm joking, UN. I name call more than I like to admit but it is sometimes hard to control myself. Some of this does get too personal.
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  10. lamont5123

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    Paul Bunyon is one of the nicest guys around.

    That's why he keeps his cool.

    Unlike some others, he is sure of himself, secure in his manhood and confident in his beliefs.

    He does not need a meaningless news forum debate to define his whole being.

    People who get upset and resort to name calling and cursing in any news forum are immature.

    Period.
  11. Mr. User Name

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    You are amazing. I don't see how you control yourself when dealing with that name calling weasel.
  12. paulbunyon

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    No, sorry jyris, I was actually just joking about the back and forth between my boys Rokin and User Name.
  13. Rokin

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    As countries join the world economy they must clean up their act. Did you see the article about CHina recently. The middle of the country is turning into a desert becasue of their failure to previoiusly respect the environment. It is one world and everyone must learn to take care of it or it won't be around for future generations.
  14. Rokin

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    bark, bark, bark......
  15. jyris

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    I'm not calling anyone any names. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, it's a little ridiculous to have these discussions here.
  16. jyris

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    I see. So we regulate the shit out of our own economy (whose performance you were bemoaning just a little while ago), making us even less competitive. So what happens?

    Well, unless other countries don't see an opportunity in our selflessness, THEY pick up the slack at our expense. BTW -- most of them (Western Europe and a few others excepted) don't have a real great record of environmental regulation (compared to the evil USA, that is). Our economy is damaged, and the environment still gets damaged -- just not by us. But hey, I guess we'll feel better...

    I'm not accusing you of this, but I swear that there are people who adamantly oppose our involvement in Iraq (because they were "no threat" to us -- just to their own people) who would support an American invasion of Brazil because of what THEY are doing to the rain forest (which "hurts us all.")
  17. paulbunyon

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    Guys, c'mon, play nice now. Look at me, I'm always in control and never ever resort to name calling.......Hehehehehehehe (my mischievous laugh)...........
  18. Mr. User Name

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    Many years ago I had embraced the beliefs of the Libertarian Party. Unfortunately about the time that the ’Contract’ enticed many of us into the Republican party, the Libertarian label became a catch basin of assorted beliefs and misfits which included liberals, progressives and socialists who did not have the balls to admit their true selves.
  19. Rokin

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    Wrong. You are trying to play the black and white game when you know everything is grey. We have free speech but you can't yell fire in a theatre.

    Personal lives means what consenting adults do. Drugs, prostitution, gambling. Why can you have a drink but not smoke a joint. Why can you pay for a escort in Las Vegas and not in NY. Why can you gamble in AC and buy a lottery ticket but you can't gamble locally.

    These are the things the governement should stay out of. Of course they can regulate it and tax it.

    Only the government can regulate people's and companies actions to stop destroying the environment, which would hurt us all. Same for activities by a person that damages a non-consenting person.
  20. jyris

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    So you want a government that heavily regulates only things that you want it to (like environmental laws)? That may be so, but it's not a classically libertarian POV.

    And now that I think about it, EVERY criminal statute is an imposition of morals at some level. So maybe you mean that you don't want morals imposed that conflict with your own. That would at least be consistent.
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